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MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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I loved Cambridge but honestly the Computer Science course was pretty poor. It won't have helped that the best first-year lecturer, Arthur Norman, retired recently.

Could you explain what you found poor about it? I thought it was rather good TBH.

I'm judging from the first-year course, which I was so unhappy with that I switched to mathematics; maybe it gets better later on. But what I saw was an operating systems course that was basically rote memorization, and two programming courses that taught very little; the ML course spent too long teaching the very basics, and students were handheld through the only actually contentful exercise. The java course was supposed to be more about real-world programming, but taught very old-style C-in-java that would be undesirable at any company I've worked at. It was all just very boring and useless; my supervisor tried to introduce some more interesting exercises (my supervision partner found it all equally trivial), but by the end of the first term he'd given up on finding us anything challenging. Conversely at least two of my friends passed all the exercises and the exams but quite clearly had no understanding of computer science or how to program.

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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I never realised UCL was so high up. Among some people, it's seen as where you go if you fail to get into Imperial.

I never realised Imperial was so high up. Among some people, it's seen as where you go if you fail to get in to Oxbridge. (are we done dick-waving now?)

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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I can't comment on the methodology used to rank the universities, but I think it's interesting that a specialised (as opposed to "fully comprehensive") university has come out on top. MIT would probably not be a great choice of university for someone looking to take an arts degree :-)

MIT certainly doesn't have the humanities breadth of Harvard, for instance, but the humanities that MIT does have are remarkably good. Some of my fellow MIT students at the time went to MIT because they thought the extra-curricular music programs were better at MIT than at Harvard. I got my SB from MIT in Philosophy. MIT's Philosophy program is considered to be in the top few in the country, as is its Linguistics. I…

Thank you for providing me with this info.

Edit: This goes equally to the other responses to my comment.

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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I never realised UCL was so high up. Among some people, it's seen as where you go if you fail to get into Imperial.

I never realised Imperial was so high up. Among some people, it's seen as where you go if you fail to get in to Oxbridge. (are we done dick-waving now?)

You thought (some people think) it was where people went if they didn't make Oxbridge, but you didn't realise it was highly ranked? That makes little sense.

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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Can't take it serious when Stanford is only #15

Data presented. Doesn't conform to your pre-conceptions. Do you reject data, or pre-conceptions? Clearly a Sanford man does the former.

Is it possible to reject just the interpretation of the data?

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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In the 2010 Times Higher Education "top universities" list, Alexandria University in Egypt ranked ahead of Georgetown and Delft. It also beat out Harvard and Stanford in the subcategory that measured the impact of research (1). Here's what happened: Phil Baty, deputy editor of Times Higher Education, acknowledged that Alexandria’s surprising prominence was actually due to “the high output from one scholar in one jour…

Absolutely. I do hope pedigree will matter even less in the future as formal education hopefully matters less as well. The important thing shouldn't be education, but what is done with it. Here is a messy and incomplete list of cool things created by people from lower ranking universities: Python: University of Amsterdam. Ruby: University of Tsukuba. PHP: University of Waterloo. Javascript: University of Illinois at…

UIUC is not exactly lower ranking: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/...

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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I never realised UCL was so high up. Among some people, it's seen as where you go if you fail to get into Imperial.

I turned down UCL and KCL to go to Bristol, which is lower rated than both on this year's list.

I can see why you would want to go to a university as high up this list as possible, because you want your degree to be from an institution that potential employers will recognise. In the UK at least, having an Oxbridge degree will automatically doors to some opportunities that aren't otherwise easy to get into.

But, if you're actually concerned about the quality of education that you get (hint: if you're spending 3+ years on it then you probably should be), then bear in mind that individual faculties and departments within universities vary a lot and a ranking system can't replace doing your own research.

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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I can't comment on the methodology used to rank the universities, but I think it's interesting that a specialised (as opposed to "fully comprehensive") university has come out on top. MIT would probably not be a great choice of university for someone looking to take an arts degree :-)

MIT certainly doesn't have the humanities breadth of Harvard, for instance, but the humanities that MIT does have are remarkably good. Some of my fellow MIT students at the time went to MIT because they thought the extra-curricular music programs were better at MIT than at Harvard. I got my SB from MIT in Philosophy. MIT's Philosophy program is considered to be in the top few in the country, as is its Linguistics. I…

I 100% will take your word for it on the quality of some elements of MIT's humanities faculty (not being ironic).

But few of the MIT grads I've known (wonderful people, all) appear to have benefited that much from this opportunity. They're nerds through and through.

Maybe the technical course load precludes exploring non-technical subjects. Or maybe the experience of 4 years almost exclusively around young scientists and engineers tends to alter one's perspective. Maybe it's that I've only been around conventional technical MIT grads (EECS, Physics, not Philosophy).

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MIT certainly doesn't have the humanities breadth of Harvard, for instance, but the humanities that MIT does have are remarkably good. Some of my fellow MIT students at the time went to MIT because they thought the extra-curricular music programs were better at MIT than at Harvard. I got my SB from MIT in Philosophy. MIT's Philosophy program is considered to be in the top few in the country, as is its Linguistics. I…

I 100% will take your word for it on the quality of some elements of MIT's humanities faculty (not being ironic). But few of the MIT grads I've known (wonderful people, all) appear to have benefited that much from this opportunity. They're nerds through and through. Maybe the technical course load precludes exploring non-technical subjects. Or maybe the experience of 4 years almost exclusively around young scientists…

I'm a nerd through and through too. Being a nerd doesn't mean that you can't have an appreciation for some kinds of humanities, though, especially if you take a very analytical approach to it. E.g., Psychology at MIT is rather scientific, and Philosophy is rather logical. And for creative writing, I, of course, wrote Science Fiction.

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. I do hope pedigree will matter even less in the future as formal education hopefully matters less as well. The important thing shouldn't be education, but what is done with it. Here is a messy and incomplete list of cool things created by people from lower ranking universities: Python: University of Amsterdam. Ruby: University of Tsukuba. PHP: University of Waterloo. Javascript: University of Illinois at…

UIUC is not exactly lower ranking: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/...

I agree :-) But it ranks way below the schools discussed in the link in the usual rankings.
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