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AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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Post by graeme »

tux3 wrote: post #49
lotsofpulp wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hard part is preventing theft, not adding numbers.

Cashiers should not, and will not prevent theft. They're not paid nearly enough to get in danger, and it is not their job. I'm sure you can find videos of thefts in San Francisco if you need a visual demonstration. No cashier is going to jump in front of someone to stop a theft.

A thief doesn't know what a cashier will do. And a cashier is an eye witness or can yell "hey stop them!"

You're doing the all or nothing fallacy. The fact that a cashier does not prevent all thefts does not mean a cashier does NOTHING for theft.

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Post by DrewADesign »

polski-g wrote: post #28
muldvarp wrote: post #3

Brutal that software engineering went from one of the least automatable jobs to a job that is universally agreed to be "most exposed to automation". Was good while it lasted though.

Its the least regulated (not at all). So it will be the first to be changed. AI lawyers? Many years away. AI civil engineers? Same thing, there is a PE exam that protects them.

You don’t need to perfect AI to the point of becoming credentialed professionals to gut job markets— it’s not just developers, or creative markets. Nobody’s worried that the world won’t have, say, lawyers anymore — they’re worried that AI will let 20% of the legal workforce do 100% of the requisite work, making the skill essentially worthless for the next few decades because we’d have way too many lawyers. Since the work AI does is largely entry-level work, that means almost nobody will be able to get a foothold in the business. Wash, rinse, repeat to varying levels across many white collar professions and you’ve got some real bad times brewing for people trying to enter the white collar workforce from now on— all without there being a single AI lawyer in the world.

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Post by anthem2025 »

delfinom wrote: post #88
ArtTimeInvestor wrote: post #38

Every day when I am out in the city, I am amazed by how many jobs we have NOT managed to replace with AI yet. For example, cashiers. There are still many people spending their lives dragging items over a scanner, reading a number from a screen, holding out their hand for the customer to put money in, and then sorting the coins into boxes. How hard can it be to automate that?

>How hard can it be to automate that? Self checkout has been a thing for ages. Heck in Japan the 711s have cashiers but you put the money into a machine that counts and distributes change for them. Supermarkets are actually getting rid of self checkouts due to crime. Surprise surprise, having less visible "supervision" in a store results in more shoplifting than having employees who won't stop it anyway.

It’s also just resulting in atrocious customer experience.

I can go to Safeway or the smaller chain half a block away.

The Safeway went all in on self checkouts. The store is barely staffed, shelves are constantly empty, you have to have your receipt checked by security every time, they closed the second entrance permanently, and for some reason the place smells.

Other store has self checkouts but they also have loads of staff. I usually go through the normal checkout because it’s easier and since they have adequate staff and self checkout lines it tends to be about the same speed to.

End result is I don’t shop at Safeway if I can avoid it.

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Post by manmal »

muldvarp wrote: post #71
grim_io wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No matter how much better they get, I don't see any actual sign of intelligence , do you? There is a lot of handwaving around the definition of intelligence in this context, of course. My definition would be actual on the job learning and reliability i don't need to second guess every time. I might be wrong, but those 2 requirements seem not compatible with current approach/hardware limitations.

Intelligence doesn't matter. To quote "Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies": > There is an important sense, however, in which chess-playing AI turned out to be a lesser triumph than many imagined it would be. It was once supposed, perhaps not unreasonably, that in order for a computer to play chess at grandmaster level, it would have to be endowed with a high degree of general intelligence. The same thing m…

LLMs can code, but they can’t engineer IMO. They lack those other parts of the brain that are not the speech center.

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Post by anthem2025 »

tux3 wrote: post #49
lotsofpulp wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hard part is preventing theft, not adding numbers.

Cashiers should not, and will not prevent theft. They're not paid nearly enough to get in danger, and it is not their job. I'm sure you can find videos of thefts in San Francisco if you need a visual demonstration. No cashier is going to jump in front of someone to stop a theft.

They absolutely do. It’s not the cashiers being security, it’s having adequate staffing making people less likely to steal. Its not stopping crimes that have occurred it’s just reducing opportunistic theft.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

Lovesong wrote: post #91
ArtTimeInvestor wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the theft really happening at the checkout? And if so, why can't we detect it via camera + AI?

You detect someone leaving your store with a 4€ item. What then?

You ban them from coming back in after a few warnings. Stores seem really icy about facial recognition right now though. The optics are pretty bad (a play on words pun?)

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Post by anthem2025 »

ArtTimeInvestor wrote: post #46
lotsofpulp wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hard part is preventing theft, not adding numbers.

Is the theft really happening at the checkout? And if so, why can't we detect it via camera + AI?

So take the broken god awful experience of self checkout and add another layer of “I think you did something wrong so now you have to stand around waiting for an actual person”?

No thanks.

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Post by jaco6 »

fibers wrote: post #8

The accounting note is not true in the traditional sense. The field in the US is just getting offshored to India/PH/Eastern Europe for better or for worse. There is even a big push to lower the educational requirements to attain licensure in the US (Big 4 partners want more bodies and are destroying the pipeline for US students). Audit quality will continue to suffer and public filers will issue bunk financials if th…

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Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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Post by manmal »

muldvarp wrote: post #37
polski-g wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its the least regulated (not at all). So it will be the first to be changed. AI lawyers? Many years away. AI civil engineers? Same thing, there is a PE exam that protects them.

Same thing for doctors. Turns out radiologists are fine, it's software engineers that should be scared.

We might end up needing 20% or so less doctors, because all that bureaucracy can be automated. A simple automated form pre-filler can save a lot of time. It’s likely that hospitals will try saving there.
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