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AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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And if you get that "sometimes" down to "rarely" and then "very rarely" you can replace a lot of expensive and inflexible humans with cheap and infinitely flexible computers. That's pretty much what we're experiencing currently. Two years ago code generation by LLMs was usually horrible. Now it's generally pretty good.

I think you are selling yourself short if you believe you can be replaced by a next token predictor :)

this boring reductionist take on how LLMs work is so outdated that I'm getting second hand embarassment.

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The hard part is preventing theft, not adding numbers.

Is the theft really happening at the checkout? And if so, why can't we detect it via camera + AI?

There are stores that are abandoning self-checkouts completely and going back to cashiers as the theft rose to unsustainable numbers.

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No matter how much better they get, I don't see any actual sign of intelligence , do you? There is a lot of handwaving around the definition of intelligence in this context, of course. My definition would be actual on the job learning and reliability i don't need to second guess every time. I might be wrong, but those 2 requirements seem not compatible with current approach/hardware limitations.

Intelligence doesn't matter. To quote "Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies": > There is an important sense, however, in which chess-playing AI turned out to be a lesser triumph than many imagined it would be. It was once supposed, perhaps not unreasonably, that in order for a computer to play chess at grandmaster level, it would have to be endowed with a high degree of general intelligence. The same thing m…

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Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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The accounting note is not true in the traditional sense. The field in the US is just getting offshored to India/PH/Eastern Europe for better or for worse. There is even a big push to lower the educational requirements to attain licensure in the US (Big 4 partners want more bodies and are destroying the pipeline for US students). Audit quality will continue to suffer and public filers will issue bunk financials if th…

Do you have any evidence of this because the rationale seems like a coping strategy or conspiracy theory how it's being suppositioned.

Have you seen how the profession has worked post SOX? Did you know 2016 was the peak year where you had accounting students enrolled in uni in the states? I want you to think laterally about this.

Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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The accounting note is not true in the traditional sense. The field in the US is just getting offshored to India/PH/Eastern Europe for better or for worse. There is even a big push to lower the educational requirements to attain licensure in the US (Big 4 partners want more bodies and are destroying the pipeline for US students). Audit quality will continue to suffer and public filers will issue bunk financials if th…

Found this article from last year saying IIT grads are facing the same grim outlook as technology hiring in India for new grads has also dried up

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-05-30/tough-...

So, that doesn't seem like a likely culprit unless you have some convincing evidence.

Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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post #8

The accounting note is not true in the traditional sense. The field in the US is just getting offshored to India/PH/Eastern Europe for better or for worse. There is even a big push to lower the educational requirements to attain licensure in the US (Big 4 partners want more bodies and are destroying the pipeline for US students). Audit quality will continue to suffer and public filers will issue bunk financials if th…

> Audit quality will continue to suffer I wonder how much this actually matters? I understand that for an auditor, having a quality reputation matters. But if all audits from all firms are bad, how much would the world economy suffer? Likewise for the legal profession, if all judges made twice the number of mistakes, how much would the world suffer?

> Likewise for the legal profession, if all judges made twice the number of mistakes, how much would the world suffer?

Is this hyperbole? It seems like the real question being asked here is "would the world be worse off without deterministic checks and balances", which I think most people would agree is true, no?

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Every day when I am out in the city, I am amazed by how many jobs we have NOT managed to replace with AI yet. For example, cashiers. There are still many people spending their lives dragging items over a scanner, reading a number from a screen, holding out their hand for the customer to put money in, and then sorting the coins into boxes. How hard can it be to automate that?

You mean ordering kiosks and self-checkout machines? We have automated it, it's just not everywhere has implemented it. The one I'm desperately waiting for is serverless restaurants—food halls already do it but I want it everywhere. Just let me sit down, put an order into the kitchen, pick it up myself. I promise I can walk 20 feet and fill my own drink cup.

I don't use self-checkouts at the stores, nor would I eat at automated or self-service restaurants. I have a kitchen for that already.

But it's good if both are available, as apparently there will be customers for both.

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Sorry for not making my point clear. I'm arguing that the category of the problem matters a lot. Chess is, compared to self-driving cars and (in my opinion) programming, very limited in its rules, the fixed board size and the lack of "fog of war".

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" ~ Upton Sinclair Your stance was the widely held stance not just on hacker news but also by the leading proponents of ai when chatgpt was first launched. A lot of people thought the hallucination aspect is something that simply can't be overcome. That LLMs were nothing but glorified stochastic parrots. Well, t…

Ironic to post that quote about AI considering the hype is pretty much entirely from people who stand to make obscene wealth from it.

Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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post #115
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The accounting note is not true in the traditional sense. The field in the US is just getting offshored to India/PH/Eastern Europe for better or for worse. There is even a big push to lower the educational requirements to attain licensure in the US (Big 4 partners want more bodies and are destroying the pipeline for US students). Audit quality will continue to suffer and public filers will issue bunk financials if th…

Found this article from last year saying IIT grads are facing the same grim outlook as technology hiring in India for new grads has also dried up https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-05-30/tough-... So, that doesn't seem like a likely culprit unless you have some convincing evidence.

I think you are conflating 2 things. AI could be going after new entry level jobs in software engineering. I am not a professional engineer but an accountant by trade (I like writing software as a hobby lol) but this article looks like evidence that IIT grads will have a harder time getting these jobs that AI is attacking. My comment rests on the fact that the report doesn't really reconcile with AI destroying entry level jobs for accounting, but rather this type of work being offshored to APAC/India. There are still new COEs being built up for mid cap companies for shared services in India to this day and I don't mean Cognizant and Wipro, but rather the end customer being the company in question with really slick offices there.

Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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Every day when I am out in the city, I am amazed by how many jobs we have NOT managed to replace with AI yet. For example, cashiers. There are still many people spending their lives dragging items over a scanner, reading a number from a screen, holding out their hand for the customer to put money in, and then sorting the coins into boxes. How hard can it be to automate that?

They don’t need AI for that, they just cut staff to the bare minimum and put in self checkouts.
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