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MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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I can't comment on the methodology used to rank the universities, but I think it's interesting that a specialised (as opposed to "fully comprehensive") university has come out on top. MIT would probably not be a great choice of university for someone looking to take an arts degree :-)

While it's certainly not their focus, MIT does have some surprisingly good humanities programs.

Agreed. If you want to learn to pronounce Spanish really well, take a class from this guy: http://web.mit.edu/linguistics/people/faculty/harris/

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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In the 2010 Times Higher Education "top universities" list, Alexandria University in Egypt ranked ahead of Georgetown and Delft. It also beat out Harvard and Stanford in the subcategory that measured the impact of research (1). Here's what happened: Phil Baty, deputy editor of Times Higher Education, acknowledged that Alexandria’s surprising prominence was actually due to “the high output from one scholar in one jour…

Thanks so much for all the data! I was just about to write a "well, hopefully nobody on HN cares about these rankings" post, trying to remember some of the facts I read about, but your post summarizes these data so well, no need to post at all.

Just for the record: I recently read (presumably on HN, too) about a ranking where somebody asked lawyers to rank schools according to their prestige. Penn-State always got ranked in the middle, even though it didn't have a law school at all. So, in a sense it doesn't even matter if administrators are cheating or not...

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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I can't comment on the methodology used to rank the universities, but I think it's interesting that a specialised (as opposed to "fully comprehensive") university has come out on top. MIT would probably not be a great choice of university for someone looking to take an arts degree :-)

MIT certainly doesn't have the humanities breadth of Harvard, for instance, but the humanities that MIT does have are remarkably good. Some of my fellow MIT students at the time went to MIT because they thought the extra-curricular music programs were better at MIT than at Harvard. I got my SB from MIT in Philosophy. MIT's Philosophy program is considered to be in the top few in the country, as is its Linguistics. I was taught creative writing by Joe Haldeman, photography in dark rooms that had been built by Minor White, psychology by Susan Carey, etc. Every MIT student is also required to take 8 classes in humanities, complete a humanities concentration in a particular field, and take a certain number of humanities that have a very significant writing requirement. MIT's business school is in the top few in the world.

Also, I'm not sure that it is correct to say that science and engineering are more "specialized" in their entirety than liberal arts are. All of Harvard's engineering, for instance, is contained in a single department. Doesn't that make Harvard more "specialized" towards liberal arts?

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I loved Cambridge but honestly the Computer Science course was pretty poor. It won't have helped that the best first-year lecturer, Arthur Norman, retired recently.

From what I've seen watching British TV, I gather Cambridge and Oxford are divided into semi-autonomous colleges. Do you share lecturers among colleges, or is there one college that all computer science majors attend?

You're taught in faculties just like anywhere else. There is a Department of Computer Science or Department of History or whatever, and those are where everyone goes for lectures. You have 1-to-1 or 1-to-2 teaching sessions in your college (or at least, organized by your college), with some kind of relevant academic in the college (taught by a PhD student, PostDoc, professor, depending on who is availble, who the director of studies thinks is good, what level of undergrad etc).

The analogy usually used for the benefit of American-tourists (not meant patronisingly, it's just empirically surprisingly effective) is that it's like Hogwarts. You have the colleges/houses (like gryffindor and hufflepuff) where you live (at least in 1st year) and eat and play sports for, but lectures and the degree in general (like potions class) are all done in faculties with people doing the same course but in other colleges.

Most lecturers and professors will belong to a college too, but they'll still be lecturers in a faculty rather than a college. In Cambridge there is an academic rank called 'College Lecturer' but like most things that doesn't mean what it says, and is probably designed to confuse and intimidate foreign people, like everything else (for example May Week when all the college balls are held after exams, is in June, and the weeks start on Thursday and end on Wednesday). [Lest the po-faced take me seriously, it's not actually designed to confuse people, it's just there's a lot of vestigial baggage that it's not worth the effort of changing [like removing an appaendix when it's not causing you problems] when you've been around almost a millennium and where a switch to the Gregorian Calendar was more recent than when the desk in your study was built.]

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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More interestingly, Oxford overtook Cambridge in Computer Science :P

I loved Cambridge but honestly the Computer Science course was pretty poor. It won't have helped that the best first-year lecturer, Arthur Norman, retired recently.

Could you explain what you found poor about it? I thought it was rather good TBH.

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I loved Cambridge but honestly the Computer Science course was pretty poor. It won't have helped that the best first-year lecturer, Arthur Norman, retired recently.

From what I've seen watching British TV, I gather Cambridge and Oxford are divided into semi-autonomous colleges. Do you share lecturers among colleges, or is there one college that all computer science majors attend?

Lectures are organized by the relevant subject's department, independently of the colleges; in many ways the departments are as autonomous as the colleges. But supervisions, the more important part of the Cambridge style of teaching, are organized by your college (though smaller colleges with only a few students in a given subject will often share supervisions, and even the biggest colleges might send you elsewhere to be supervised if you've picked an obscure specialization in your third year). Almost all colleges offer almost all subjects (there are a few special cases like st edmund's which is a dedicated theological college AIUI), but some do have a reputation for particular subjects; many (but by no means all) computer science students (in general most students don't have a minor in the UK, especially in Cambridge) go to either Trinity Hall (for its history/reputation and its generous internet usage policies) or to Churchill (which is physically closest to the Computer Science department)

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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I find the rankings from ARWU (a Shanghai-based institute) makes more sense. http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2012.html The Top ten universities listed there are 1 Harvard University 2 Stanford University 3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) 4 University of California, Berkeley 5 University of Cambridge 6 California Institute of Technology 7 Princeton University 8 Columbia University 9 University of Chicag…

What "makes sense" is that a ranking system that surely depends a great deal on reputation finds schools geographically closer to it to be "better".

(In particular, I'm comparing the ranking of Stanford and MIT in surveys from the UK and Asia.)

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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I can't comment on the methodology used to rank the universities, but I think it's interesting that a specialised (as opposed to "fully comprehensive") university has come out on top. MIT would probably not be a great choice of university for someone looking to take an arts degree :-)

Not entirely true. MIT students are required to take, on average, at least one humanities course a semester even if they are doing a purely tech degree. I was a comparative media studies major there and the faculty was incredible. A lot of the professors are poached or borrowed from Ivy league schools. The linguistics department in particular is amazing. You can also cross register for courses at Harvard or Wellesley, which is awesome. About a quarter of the folks in my dorm were music majors (along with something else of course.) Humanities majors are common, humanities-only majors are rare, but I don't think any of us felt like the humanities education there was anything but world class.

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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In the 2010 Times Higher Education "top universities" list, Alexandria University in Egypt ranked ahead of Georgetown and Delft. It also beat out Harvard and Stanford in the subcategory that measured the impact of research (1). Here's what happened: Phil Baty, deputy editor of Times Higher Education, acknowledged that Alexandria’s surprising prominence was actually due to “the high output from one scholar in one jour…

Absolutely. I do hope pedigree will matter even less in the future as formal education hopefully matters less as well.

The important thing shouldn't be education, but what is done with it.

Here is a messy and incomplete list of cool things created by people from lower ranking universities:

Python: University of Amsterdam. Ruby: University of Tsukuba. PHP: University of Waterloo. Javascript: University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign Rails: Copenhagen Business School Django: University of Bath and Missouri School of Journalism Drupal: Ghent University Linux: University of Helsinki MySQL: Helsinki University of Technology and ?? Perl: Seattle Pacific University Java: University of Calgary Objective C: Furman University and ?? C++: University of Aarhus C#: Technical University of Denmark

Re: MIT overtakes Cambridge and Harvard to top spot in QS world university rankings

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In the 2010 Times Higher Education "top universities" list, Alexandria University in Egypt ranked ahead of Georgetown and Delft. It also beat out Harvard and Stanford in the subcategory that measured the impact of research (1). Here's what happened: Phil Baty, deputy editor of Times Higher Education, acknowledged that Alexandria’s surprising prominence was actually due to “the high output from one scholar in one jour…

I've been reading through all the comments, many of which complain about bias. That's only part of the problem. Often students applying to graduate school have a better idea of what they're looking for, but for undergraduates the metrics that they're weighing with other factors such as campus life are much murkier, and these rankings don't analyze the questions that deeply.

For example, Stanford and Rice University have the same student-to-faculty ratio, and their endowments are proportional, but Stanford has 2 graduate students for every undergraduate student, whereas Rice is one of the smallest Division 1 schools AND has fewer graduate students. So when Rice claims undergraduates interested in interacting closely with faculty in cutting-edge research will have ample opportunity to do so, one could argue they may be more likely to provide that to undergrads than even Stanford. Because I've compared experiences with Stanford folks, I don't think Stanford is behind Rice in that category, but the fact is, I'm comparing against one of the very top schools. So perhaps my argument holds for most universities that are ahead of Rice in the rankings, but a student is going to have to really dig to figure that out, and perhaps speak with students and faculty at each university to grasp the differences that matter to him or her. And that's only in the category of undergraduate participation in research--there are many other questions students face that these rankings can't properly answer.

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