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Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure they blamed the user holding their iphone wrong.

To Be fair, you are not supposed to hold in the one place where it disconnects

To be fair, it should not disconnect if you hold it in a place that’s not clearly marked “it will disconnect if you touch here”. :)

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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That's why I like Apple's vertical integration. If something breaks it's 100% their fault that they need to make right to the consumer, they can't tell you to GTFO and go blame someone else to escape responsibility.

Maybe this will open your eyes. Dell support has flown a repair guy to my place with spare hardware pieces and fixed my pc in front of me. In my office. And I was partially to blame for the problem (I over clocked the CPU). I told them I did oc the CPU, they changed motherboard and processor anyways. For free. So not only there are other verticals, but they are better.

We just had a similar oopsie (water ingress) happen with a very expensive Dell server. We were upfront about what happened and wanted to pay for service. But in the end, they deployed a tech to repair it under warranty anyway.

That was a huge boost for Dell in my mind.

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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Not a huge fan of that headline. It's completely plausible that motherboard vendors aren't following AMD's guidance and push the chips past their documented limits. It wouldn't be the first time, and it won't be the last.

The problem with Intel blaming 13th and 14th gen failures on motherboard manufacturers was that it happened even on motherboards which followed Intel's guidance to a T. This Ars Technica article doesn't seem to even try to make the argument that motherboard manufacturers are innocent, so the comparison to 13th and 14th gen failures is completely unwarranted.

Further, the article doesn't even investigate whether or not AMD's claim is correct. They could've compared AMD's max voltage specifications to the default settings configured by various motherboards.

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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If the motherboards are putting too much power into the chips, why isn’t it their fault?

Isn't it the small embedded support CPU core within the CPU I/O die that controls voltages and frequencies? Sure it depends of what is configured in BIOS.

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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post #24

That's why I like Apple's vertical integration. If something breaks it's 100% their fault that they need to make right to the consumer, they can't tell you to GTFO and go blame someone else to escape responsibility.

Maybe this will open your eyes. Dell support has flown a repair guy to my place with spare hardware pieces and fixed my pc in front of me. In my office. And I was partially to blame for the problem (I over clocked the CPU). I told them I did oc the CPU, they changed motherboard and processor anyways. For free. So not only there are other verticals, but they are better.

All of these companies have good and bad stories. I’ve been in the IT biz for a long time and have lots of stories of heroics and villainy.

I can think of a bad one where a significant number of laptops and 1st party docking stations were deployed. There was an issue where in certain scenarios plugging into the dock would brick the dock. It affected ~5% of the population in 90 days. Vendor response: fuck you.

One of the interns working on desktop support at the org figured out that certain laptop serial number ranges were affected. She then popped it open and found what turned out to be a counterfeit chip.

Flying monkeys were released and the CEO of the vendor got a call. End result: ~$40-50M redeployment of everything, eaten by the vendor. If they had been accountable from the beginning, they likely would have recalled $3-5M of devices and spent $300-500k on deployment.

On the flip, I remember one scenario where an off warranty device failed before its replacement was ready (and the replacement was another vendor). The part wasn’t available locally, and the account exec ditched a conference in Chicago, picked up the part from a depot in Indiana and drove it to Massachusetts overnight, with a CE waiting for it in the lot.

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or the iPhone 4 Steve Jobs: "You're holding it wrong"

Or the generation that where the graphics cards were de-soldering themselves

I still have a mid-2010 Macbook Pro collecting dust somewhere.

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this will open your eyes. Dell support has flown a repair guy to my place with spare hardware pieces and fixed my pc in front of me. In my office. And I was partially to blame for the problem (I over clocked the CPU). I told them I did oc the CPU, they changed motherboard and processor anyways. For free. So not only there are other verticals, but they are better.

All of these companies have good and bad stories. I’ve been in the IT biz for a long time and have lots of stories of heroics and villainy. I can think of a bad one where a significant number of laptops and 1st party docking stations were deployed. There was an issue where in certain scenarios plugging into the dock would brick the dock. It affected ~5% of the population in 90 days. Vendor response: fuck you. One of…

I’d love to know how the intern figured out the chip was counterfeit!

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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post #24

That's why I like Apple's vertical integration. If something breaks it's 100% their fault that they need to make right to the consumer, they can't tell you to GTFO and go blame someone else to escape responsibility.

Maybe this will open your eyes. Dell support has flown a repair guy to my place with spare hardware pieces and fixed my pc in front of me. In my office. And I was partially to blame for the problem (I over clocked the CPU). I told them I did oc the CPU, they changed motherboard and processor anyways. For free. So not only there are other verticals, but they are better.

The same Dell sold me a new monitor through their Amazon store, and when it broke a few months later — as that model became infamous for — Dell refused to replace it because their inventory system claimed I wasn’t the first owner: https://honeypot.net/2021/02/19/dell-doesnt-honor.html

Funny how experiences with the same company can be so drastically different. You got white glove service. I got service so bad that I used my veto power to keep an employer from ever spending a single penny with them.

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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That's why I like Apple's vertical integration. If something breaks it's 100% their fault that they need to make right to the consumer, they can't tell you to GTFO and go blame someone else to escape responsibility.

Who asked you to drop an Apple ad in a completely unrelated topic?
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