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Post by UncleMeat »

CMay wrote: post #88

Is this about the upcoming reveal of the autism findings, or is the article just feeding that as the cause? I thought the understanding for base rates of autism was that people are living longer and starting their lives later. Becoming financially stable later, having children later. Having children later rather than earlier significantly increased the risk of autism. After that then the question becomes about intens…

It is not just about that. The trump admin fired high level and long-standing officials within cdc over disagreements about vaccine policy and that was followed by a bunch of resignations in protest.

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Post by allturtles »

voidfunc wrote: post #27
vkou wrote: post #6

It's a crying shame that given the choice, the voters picked the modern-day equivalent of Lysenkoism[1]. [1] Which due to the timing of its adoption and abandonment did avoid outright causing famines in the Soviet Union... And went on to kill tens of millions of people in China.

The inability for intelligent people to frame their policies and positions in ways very stupid simple people can understand is the biggest failing of the last 50+ years if not longer.

I don't think people have gotten stupider or leaders have gotten worse at justifying their policies. IMO what is happening here is a consequence of a catastrophic loss of trust in elites and institutions.

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Post by kevlened »

franktankbank wrote: post #120
kevlened wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Science Vs just explored the rise in autism [0]. Maureen Durkin, an epidemiologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, just presented a paper [1] (currently in peer review) studying 8 year olds from 2000 to 2016, categorizing and counting autism severity over time. The most severe cases were unchanged, or decreased, and the largest change was in those with no measurable functional limitations. This unpublished pa…

They should follow them into the job market and see the effects as an adult for those with "no measurable functional limitations".

The category doesn't imply those cases are no-ops. It's used to highlight the sensitivity of our diagnostics.

On the podcast, Durkin frames improved detection as a positive, because it means people will get the care they need.

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Post by selimthegrim »

o11c wrote: post #90
voidfunc wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The inability for intelligent people to frame their policies and positions in ways very stupid simple people can understand is the biggest failing of the last 50+ years if not longer.

At this point, I don't think it's an inability - all sorts of messages get broadcast - but an unwillingness to actually talk to people with different worldviews. The easy way to spread a pro-health message to the people who really need to comply with it is to say "letting disease spread is Nergal worship (2 Kings 17:30), and America is a Christian nation." Just spam that, nonstop, until it is as embedded in their min…

You must’ve not hung out among Louisiana Democrats lately

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Post by kelipso »

kevlened wrote: post #109
CMay wrote: post #88

Is this about the upcoming reveal of the autism findings, or is the article just feeding that as the cause? I thought the understanding for base rates of autism was that people are living longer and starting their lives later. Becoming financially stable later, having children later. Having children later rather than earlier significantly increased the risk of autism. After that then the question becomes about intens…

Science Vs just explored the rise in autism [0]. Maureen Durkin, an epidemiologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, just presented a paper [1] (currently in peer review) studying 8 year olds from 2000 to 2016, categorizing and counting autism severity over time. The most severe cases were unchanged, or decreased, and the largest change was in those with no measurable functional limitations. This unpublished pa…

Lol. Wasn’t there some autism fad in tiktok?

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Post by kelipso »

abracadaniel wrote: post #101
voidfunc wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somewhere along the line they had to develop preferences which indicates some level of listening.

People’s preferences tend very strongly toward whatever requires the least action on their part. If the problem is with someone else, then you never have to be part of the solution

It’s political preferences, not laziness. People aren’t listening to Rogan or whoever and ignoring the CDC because of laziness. They are doing that because they follow what their social and/or political community thinks and does.

Feels like this whole thread is trying to pin this on individual preferences or whatever. But it’s a social effect, and individual personalities or intelligence have very little to do with it. If you lived in these communities, unless you are neurodivergent, you would be doing the same thing.

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Post by Esophagus4 »

Gigachad wrote: post #80
voidfunc wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The inability for intelligent people to frame their policies and positions in ways very stupid simple people can understand is the biggest failing of the last 50+ years if not longer.

The problem seems to be that Americans are willing to suffer a lot of personal loss as long as they can ensure someone else suffers even more.

There’s a similar joke about Russians:

A genie says to a Russian, “I will grant you one wish.”

The Russian says, “I want a million dollars.”

The genie says, “… but whatever I give you, I will give your neighbor two of.”

The Russian responds, “Well in that case, I want a poke in the eye!”

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Post by bignurgle »

ornornor wrote: post #105
CamperBob2 wrote: post #3

The good news, at least, is that next week there's a chance we'll finally get to the bottom of the whole autism thing! https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-trump-claims-we-... Seriously. If you voted for this, you owe civilization a debt that you will probably never be wealthy enough or long-lived enough to repay.

It’s hard to believe how much closer to Idiocracy the US is getting every day. I love how they quoted what RFK and Trump have said in the article to show how devoid of any substance any of that is.

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Post by Guid_NewGuid »

zevon wrote: post #110

It's so sad to see these attacks on institions that are intended to save lives and cure horrible diseases. Many moons ago, during civil service and volunteer work with kids, I've occasionally been confronted with parents who were anti-vaccination or followed some esoteric stance on medicine. When the anger faded away, those days always made me so very sad and frustrated that the only thing you apparently can do is pl…

Worth reiterating since the phrase "attacks on institutions" more usually implies bureaucratic maneuvers. These people have incited actual murderous gun attacks: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0y796qqp9o

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Post by CamperBob2 »

bignurgle wrote: post #128
ornornor wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s hard to believe how much closer to Idiocracy the US is getting every day. I love how they quoted what RFK and Trump have said in the article to show how devoid of any substance any of that is.

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probably shouldn't have pushed equally retarded rhetoric leading up to his most recent election.

Really? About the only comparable example I can think of was the Democrats' assurance that Biden was still fit to serve. Sure, they should have ditched him much earlier -- that much seems obvious -- but what "equally retarded rhetoric" can you stack up against "They're eating the dogs?"

A voter could justify an assumption that Biden was still a viable candidate simply because they hadn't been told otherwise by those in a position to know. But you actually had to be stupid to fall for "They're eating the dogs," along with countless other Trump lies backed by zero evidence.

It was a simple exercise in pattern recognition. No one who failed that exercise in 2024 should be allowed to vote in 2028. But of course, we have Trump's word that the matter is moot, given that voting won't be necessary.

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