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CDC officials’ resignation emails

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Post by itsanaccount »

michaelmrose wrote: post #58
yongjik wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The inability for intelligent people to frame their policies and positions in ways very stupid simple people can understand "disease very bad. disease may kill. inject this. you less likely to get disease." => "How dare you infringe upon my bodily freedom!" Realistically, how farther down can we dumb things from here?

You can't people that stupid shouldn't actually get a vote in the matter.

and when you get to this point, you show your true colors and the dumbest, meanest animal is still gonna recognize your nature.

you have to respect people, you have to care about their agency even to their detriment or else who are you saving?

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Post by SantalBlush »

voidfunc wrote: post #27
vkou wrote: post #6

It's a crying shame that given the choice, the voters picked the modern-day equivalent of Lysenkoism[1]. [1] Which due to the timing of its adoption and abandonment did avoid outright causing famines in the Soviet Union... And went on to kill tens of millions of people in China.

The inability for intelligent people to frame their policies and positions in ways very stupid simple people can understand is the biggest failing of the last 50+ years if not longer.

Personal responsibility applies to improving and maintaining one's own intellect, and not relying on others to do it.

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Post by robbiewxyz »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #35
amazingamazing wrote: post #32

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Remember when the CDC started tracking gun violence as an "epidemic"? Surely someone should but the CDC doing so is clearly outside of its charter. That was one major moment that betrayed the CDC becoming a political and not a scientific organization

To add to other comments, gun violence has a massive mental health component for which preventative treatment can save many lives. Of course it warrants study!

And given the well-documented copycat-killer phenomenon, modeling it similarly to an epidemic is very reasonable.

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Post by jiggawatts »

yongjik wrote: post #54
voidfunc wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The inability for intelligent people to frame their policies and positions in ways very stupid simple people can understand is the biggest failing of the last 50+ years if not longer.

> The inability for intelligent people to frame their policies and positions in ways very stupid simple people can understand "disease very bad. disease may kill. inject this. you less likely to get disease." => "How dare you infringe upon my bodily freedom!" Realistically, how farther down can we dumb things from here?

> "disease very bad. disease may kill. inject this. you less likely to get disease."

The actual argument is that by everyone getting injected, society as a whole crosses a threshold where viruses fail to spread exponentially and don't cause pandemics.

It's a more nuanced, more complex reason that some (incredibly selfish) people are just unable to grasp.

"Why would I ever a tiny personal risk to stop other people getting sick!?" was a very common argument during the COVID pandemic.

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Post by SantalBlush »

voidfunc wrote: post #31
mankyd wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in ways very stupid simple people can understand The problem is rarely the ability to understand. It is the ability (or desire) to listen that many lack.

These people have no trouble listening. They're deeply into people like Rogan, Trump, their pastor, RFK etc. and eat up their every word.

They will listen to anyone who tells them what they like to hear. They will not listen to anyone who tells them what they don't like to hear. They shop around for truths they prefer like they're items at Costco.

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Post by etchalon »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #57
random3 wrote: post #48

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So better throw the baby with the bath water and not have CDC then have CDC treat gun violence or suicides as an epidemic, yes?

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The political thing is thinking studying gun violence is political.

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Post by Gigachad »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #52
unsnap_biceps wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mental health of the perpetrator is also a public health concern and could fairly be considered a epidemic

This is a problem. Government departments must have delimited authority and scope. There are other government and nonprofit entities tracking gun violence. Absolutely no need for CDC to get involved except for stupid politics. It's a distraction from their core mission.

I doubt this took much of their resources or attention at all. Seems more like commenters are mad about this data being tracked rather than genuine concern over the departments resource allocations.

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Post by Gigachad »

voidfunc wrote: post #27
vkou wrote: post #6

It's a crying shame that given the choice, the voters picked the modern-day equivalent of Lysenkoism[1]. [1] Which due to the timing of its adoption and abandonment did avoid outright causing famines in the Soviet Union... And went on to kill tens of millions of people in China.

The inability for intelligent people to frame their policies and positions in ways very stupid simple people can understand is the biggest failing of the last 50+ years if not longer.

The problem seems to be that Americans are willing to suffer a lot of personal loss as long as they can ensure someone else suffers even more.
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