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I feel I am building a new Google Wave

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Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

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Post by sgdesign »

javajosh wrote: post #88
mcgwiz wrote: post #76

I don't want to be misconstrued a "bad HN commenter", so I'll say first of all, technically amazing. Also, UX is consistent and aesthetically pleasing (though admittedly incomplete; lots of actions are unexplained... e.g. what's the difference between Focus and Shift). Technical and design accolades aside, IMHO I would not call this an improvement on existing discussion forums. In Part 4 of his post "Building a Bette…

I agree that it is more chat than forum, especially because of the limited (that is, non-existent) support for threaded conversations. (The only thing I could find was a hash-number style referral shortcut). Personally, I also disagree with removing timestamps. Although HK (presumably the author) is correct in that people can tend to ignore 2-year-old posts, this is an entirely n00b tendency, as old-hands know that t…

Quick note: "HK" stands for "Hong Kong", it's not the author's name.

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

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Post by wamatt »

tluyben2 wrote: post #79
moondowner wrote: post #20

There's a fork of Google Wave that's alive and kicking http://rizzoma.com Here's a screenshot: https://plus.google.com/100419497458726670190/posts Though I like Ivory's goal and aspirations.

The issue with Wave for me was that it killed my computer (and I don't have a light computer) and this does the same. OP his app is so nice and light...

Yeah, it was cutting edge back in the day, but Wave is kinda oldschool tech now, being easier and faster to build with the latest RTW frameworks out there now. (mostly built on JS).

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

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Post by moondowner »

tluyben2 wrote: post #79
moondowner wrote: post #20

There's a fork of Google Wave that's alive and kicking http://rizzoma.com Here's a screenshot: https://plus.google.com/100419497458726670190/posts Though I like Ivory's goal and aspirations.

The issue with Wave for me was that it killed my computer (and I don't have a light computer) and this does the same. OP his app is so nice and light...

I don't say OP's app is not nice, I like it too :)

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

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Post by prawn »

Hi cheshirecat,

Any tactics for blocking repeat trouble makers? You mentioned blocking by IP in your docs.

I've run a forum (1,100 posts/month) for about eight years which also allows anonymous posting as well as accounts/avatars/etc. Users blocked by IP usually reconnect with their ISP to get a new IP and run amok anew. I also have blacklisted words and phrases which can stop some problems, but not all. I end up blocking IP classes from anonymous posting to eliminate troublesome regions.

Any plans/thoughts beyond that?

(Found your forum concept initially confusing, but I greatly admire your effort and the thought that's gone into it. I think you've created something intriguing!)

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

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Post by prawn »

citricsquid wrote: post #23
cheshirecat wrote: post #5

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Well it does support nested comments... They are just automatically folded so the appearance is cleaner. Try "#xxxx" (and click it). You can find the post id by clicking the user icon. You can even do self-reference and build an infinite stair.

The idea behind threaded comments is they're a separate thread so to have them "folded in" is counter intuitive. It's already evident that this sort of "threading" is a problem, if you look you can see users referring to each other by name which doesn't associate the reply with the parent, which makes the conversation hard to follow. Imagine this with 10,000 replies... If you don't properly thread the comments then y…

Is there any setup that can handle 10,000 replies well? I've always thought of it as an unsolved problem. Even with threading like HN, you have "more" and I almost never click it. I think /. used to have similar paging. Reddit?

The idea further down this chain of branching off sub-conversations has some merit IMO.

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

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Post by cheshirecat »

kumarski wrote: post #87
Udo wrote: post #55

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That unjustified blanket statement and the tone of your comment just rub me the wrong way. Who cares how amazingly, mind-blowingly awesome your buddy the founder of Rizzoma is? This thread is about another project, and it's not based on Wave. This is hardly the place where you should walz in and shill for something else without so much as a word about Pivory, let alone some constructive criticism of any kind.

Sorry Udo. I wish you the best in building your technology. I will say you've done some pretty cool stuff in the area of UX with the ability to change the fonts and appearance on the fly. I meant no offense. Again, sorry.

Hi kumarski, your comment is strange. I don't know Udo in any way.

Pivory is a one-man project. I built all the codes and designs by myself (and owe many thanks to the users who were so nice and provided many useful comments - I posted it to /r/programming before this).

I have been coding for 20 years, so it's not that unthinkable. Sometimes the one-man way can be the fastest way. No time wasted in communications. Refactoring is always straightforward.

Rizzoma is 100 times more complicated and I must say: nice work! It covers a completely different market. I can see all the efforts behind it.

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

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Post by kobzevvv »

cheshirecat wrote: post #96
kumarski wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry Udo. I wish you the best in building your technology. I will say you've done some pretty cool stuff in the area of UX with the ability to change the fonts and appearance on the fly. I meant no offense. Again, sorry.

Hi kumarski, your comment is strange. I don't know Udo in any way. Pivory is a one-man project. I built all the codes and designs by myself (and owe many thanks to the users who were so nice and provided many useful comments - I posted it to /r/programming before this). I have been coding for 20 years, so it's not that unthinkable. Sometimes the one-man way can be the fastest way. No time wasted in communications. Re…

Actually yes, rizzoma goes to different market.

BTW I like how Ivory works. Me and other guys from rizzoma team played a couple hours with Ivory. My congratulations for developer!

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

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Post by kobzevvv »

baseh wrote: post #56
tensafefrogs wrote: post #34

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How is it better? Rizzoma (wave) is so incredibly complicated I feel very overwhelmed when I visit the site. It's like stepping into a fighter jet cockpit.

Same experience here. I think compared to Ops site, Rizzoma is over-engineered out of the wazoo. Once you start adding features for everyone, their grandma and their dog, things are bound to get complicated. The Ops site is such a simple and a breath of fresh air.

Could you provide links to services that are you talking about?

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

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Post by Udo »

cheshirecat wrote: post #96
kumarski wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry Udo. I wish you the best in building your technology. I will say you've done some pretty cool stuff in the area of UX with the ability to change the fonts and appearance on the fly. I meant no offense. Again, sorry.

Hi kumarski, your comment is strange. I don't know Udo in any way. Pivory is a one-man project. I built all the codes and designs by myself (and owe many thanks to the users who were so nice and provided many useful comments - I posted it to /r/programming before this). I have been coding for 20 years, so it's not that unthinkable. Sometimes the one-man way can be the fastest way. No time wasted in communications. Re…

WTF, I never said I had anything to do with the project! I was merely making a point about being more supportive towards a Show HN project instead of just linking to a competitor and stating "this is better and the guy running it is awesome".

How can anyone read my comment and infer it's my project? Was my wording really that misleading?!?

Re: I feel I am building a new Google Wave

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Post by killnine »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #74

Magnificent. Simply wonderful. This feels like a prototype for the future of forums. It's got its little UI flaws here and there but I understand why and almost all of them can be fixed easily. Very nice work. So much potential. - There's no reason to have the scroll bar of the thread list on the left. Hiding it unless you hover directly over it is also not a good idea. It should appear when the mouse hovers anywhere…

I like constructive criticism. Its okay from somebody without the credentials. It's even better from somebody with the credentials.

After reading your post my thought was who f$&^ does this guy think he is. After reading your web site - I can reduce it down to: IMO your post sounds like you employ the pivory dev. I am sure you do not. Without an "IMO" , "I suggest" , or something along the lines of that you just sound like know it all dick.

"should be" , "needs to" , "get rid of" , "its missing" - how do you know any of this? How do you know the dev didn't purposely make it this way? You don't. Not unless you are the dev.

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