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Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by heavyset_go »

chmod775 wrote: post #355
xlbuttplug2 wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet would come to a grinding halt as everyone would suddenly become mindful of their browsing. It's not hard to imagine a situation where, say, pornhub sells its access data and the next day you get sacked at your teaching job.

It doesn't need to. Thanks to asymmetric cryptography governments can in theory provide you with a way to prove you are a human (or of a certain age) without: 1. the government knowing who you are authenticating yourself to 2. or the recipient learning anything but the fact that you are a human 3. or the recipient being able to link you to a previous session if you authenticate yourself again later The EU is trying t…

There isn't a technical solution to this: governments and providers not only want proof of identity matching IDs, they want proof of life, too.

This will always end with live video of the person requesting to log in to provide proof of life at the very least, and if they're lazy/want more data, they'll tie in their ID verification process to their video pipeline.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by overfeed »

ummonk wrote: post #357
chmod775 wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't need to. Thanks to asymmetric cryptography governments can in theory provide you with a way to prove you are a human (or of a certain age) without: 1. the government knowing who you are authenticating yourself to 2. or the recipient learning anything but the fact that you are a human 3. or the recipient being able to link you to a previous session if you authenticate yourself again later The EU is trying t…

How would it prevent you from renting your identity out to a bot farm?

Besides making yourself party to a criminal conspiracy, I suspect it would be partly the same reason you won't sell/rent your real-world identity to other people today; an illegal immigrant may be willing to rent it from you right now.

Mostly, it will because online identifies will be a market for lemons: there will be so many fake/expired/revoked identities being sold that the value of each one will be worth pennies, and that's not commensurate with the risk of someone commiting crimes and linking it to your government-registered identity.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by heavyset_go »

bhawks wrote: post #306
overfeed wrote: post #298

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> The bots will eventually be indistinguishable from humans Not until they get issued government IDs they won't! Extrapolating from current trends, some form of online ID attestation (likely based on government-issued ID[1]) will become normal in the next decade, and naturally, this will be included in the anti-bot arsenal. It will be up to the site operator to trust identities signed by the Russian government. 1. De…

Can't wait to sign into my web browser with my driver's license.

"Luckily" you won't have to do only that, you'll need to provide live video to prove you're the person in the ID and that you're alive.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by wredcoll »

xlbuttplug2 wrote: post #335
marcus_holmes wrote: post #321

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How does this work, though? We can't just have "send me a picture of your ID" because that is pointlessly easy to spoof - just copy someone else's ID. So there must be some verification that you, the person at the keyboard, is the same person as that ID identifies. The UK is rapidly finding out that that is extremely difficult to do reliably. Video doesn't really work reliably on all cases, and still images are too e…

IDs would have to be reissued with a public/private key model you can use to sign your requests. > the person at the keyboard, is the same person as that ID identifies This won't be possible to verify - you could lend your ID out to bots but that would come at the risk of being detected and blanket banned from the internet.

I have a wonderful new idea for this problem space based on your username.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by wredcoll »

xlbuttplug2 wrote: post #340
overfeed wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The bots will eventually be indistinguishable from humans Not until they get issued government IDs they won't! Extrapolating from current trends, some form of online ID attestation (likely based on government-issued ID[1]) will become normal in the next decade, and naturally, this will be included in the anti-bot arsenal. It will be up to the site operator to trust identities signed by the Russian government. 1. De…

The internet would come to a grinding halt as everyone would suddenly become mindful of their browsing. It's not hard to imagine a situation where, say, pornhub sells its access data and the next day you get sacked at your teaching job.

I live with the naïve and optimistic dream that something like that would just show that everyone was in the list so they can't use it to discriminate against people.

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Post by wredcoll »

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #344
xenotux wrote: post #328

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Eh? With the "anonymous" models that we're pushing for right now, nothing stops you from handing over your verification token (or the control of your browser) to a robot for a fee. The token issued by the verifier just says "yep, that's an adult human", not "this is John Doe, living at 123 Main St, Somewhere, USA". If it's burned, you can get a new one. If we move to a model where the token is permanently tied to you…

If it's illegal that person could face legal consequences

They... stole it from me?

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by wredcoll »

odo1242 wrote: post #254
johnklos wrote: post #244

This is a usually technical crowd, so I can't help but wonder if many people genuinely don't get it, or if they are just feigning a lack of understanding to be dismissive of Anubis. Sure, the people who make the AI scraper bots are going to figure out how to actually do the work. The point is that they hadn't, and this worked for quite a while. As the botmakers circumvent, new methods of proof-of-notbot will be made…

Also, it forces the crawler to gain code execution capabilities, which for many companies will just make them give up and scrape someone else.

I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a few websites these days that use javascript as part of their display logic.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by squaresmile »

marvinborner wrote: post #265
jimmaswell wrote: post #12

What exactly is so bad about AI crawlers compared to Google or Bing? Is there more volume or is it just "I don't like AI"?

As a reference on the volume aspect: I have a tiny server where I host some of my git repos. After the fans of my server spun increasingly faster/louder every week, I decided to log the requests [1]. In a single week, ClaudeBot made 2.25M (!) requests (7.55GiB), whereas GoogleBot made only 24 requests (8.37MiB). After installing Anubis the traffic went down to before the AI hype started. [1] https://types.pl/@marvin/…

Same, ClaudeBot makes a stupid amount of requests on my git storage. I just blocked them all on Cloudflare.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by pilif »

hedora wrote: post #380
johnklos wrote: post #244

This is a usually technical crowd, so I can't help but wonder if many people genuinely don't get it, or if they are just feigning a lack of understanding to be dismissive of Anubis. Sure, the people who make the AI scraper bots are going to figure out how to actually do the work. The point is that they hadn't, and this worked for quite a while. As the botmakers circumvent, new methods of proof-of-notbot will be made…

This was obviously dumb when it launched: 1) scrapers just run a full browser and wait for the page to stabilize. They did this before this thing launched, so it probably never worked. 2) The AI reading the page needs something like 5 seconds * 1600W to process it. Assuming my phone can even perform that much compute as efficiently as a server class machine, it’d take a large multiple of five seconds to do it, and ge…

> This was obviously dumb when it launched:

Yes. Obviously dumb but also nearly 100% successful at the current point in time.

And likely going to stay successful as the non-protected internet still provides enough information to dumb crawlers that it’s not financially worth it to even vibe-code a workaround.

Or in other words: Anubis may be dumb, but the average crawler that completely exhausting some sites resources is even dumber.

And so it all works out.

And so the question remains: how dumb was it exactly, when it works so well and continues to work so well?

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by hedora »

overfeed wrote: post #317
bhawks wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't wait to sign into my web browser with my driver's license.

In all likelihood, most people will do so via the Apple Wallet (or the equivalent on their non-Apple devices). It's going to be painful to use Open source OSes for a while, thanks to CloudFlare and Anubis. This is not the future I want, but we can't have nice things.

No worries. Stick an unregistered copy of win 11 (ms doesn’t seem to care) and your drivers license in an isolated VM and let the AI RDP into it for you.

Manually browsing the web yourself will probably be trickier moving forward though.

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