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Could you expand on what ideology this tool is broadcasting and what virtue is being signalled?
Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?
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Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?
#372As I've been saying for a while now - if you want to filter for only humans, ask questions only a human can easily answer; counting the number of letters in a word seems to be a good way to filter out LLMs, for example. Yes, that can be relatively easily gotten around, just like Anubis, but with the benefit that it doesn't filter out humans and has absolutely minimal system requirements (a browser that can submit HTM…
There is a decent segment of the population that will gave a hard time with that.
So it's no different from real CAPTCHAs, then.
Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?
#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's exactly what I'm saying isn't happening: the user pays some cost C per article, and the bot pays exactly the same cost C. Both obtain the same reward. That's not how Hashcash works.
I'm saying your notion of "the same cost" is off. They pay the same total CPU cost, but that isn't the actual perceived cost in each case.
Can you flesh that out more? In the case of AI scrapers it seems especially clear: the model companies just want tokens, and are paying a (one-time) cost of C for N tokens.
Again, with Hashcash, this isn't how it works: most outbound spam messages are worthless. The point of the system is to exploit the negative exponent on the attacker's value function.
Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?
#374This is a usually technical crowd, so I can't help but wonder if many people genuinely don't get it, or if they are just feigning a lack of understanding to be dismissive of Anubis. Sure, the people who make the AI scraper bots are going to figure out how to actually do the work. The point is that they hadn't, and this worked for quite a while. As the botmakers circumvent, new methods of proof-of-notbot will be made…
It really should be recognised just how many people are watching Cloudflare interstitials on nearly every site these days (and I totally get why this happens) yet making a huge amount of noise about Anubis on a very small amount of sites.
TO BE FAIR
I dislike those even more.
Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?
#375Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't need to. Thanks to asymmetric cryptography governments can in theory provide you with a way to prove you are a human (or of a certain age) without: 1. the government knowing who you are authenticating yourself to 2. or the recipient learning anything but the fact that you are a human 3. or the recipient being able to link you to a previous session if you authenticate yourself again later The EU is trying t…
Such schemes have the fatal flaw that they can be trivially abused. All you need are a couple of stolen/sold identities and bots start proving their humanness and adultness to everyone.
> Such schemes have the fatal flaw that they can be trivially abused
I wouldn't expect the abuse rate to be higher than what it is for chip-and-pin debit cards. PKI failure modes are well understood and there are mitigations galore.
Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?
#376Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?
#377Earlier quoted context omitted.
The internet would come to a grinding halt as everyone would suddenly become mindful of their browsing. It's not hard to imagine a situation where, say, pornhub sells its access data and the next day you get sacked at your teaching job.
It doesn't need to. Thanks to asymmetric cryptography governments can in theory provide you with a way to prove you are a human (or of a certain age) without: 1. the government knowing who you are authenticating yourself to 2. or the recipient learning anything but the fact that you are a human 3. or the recipient being able to link you to a previous session if you authenticate yourself again later The EU is trying t…
I did think asymmetric cryptography but I assumed the validators would be third parties / individual websites and therefore connections could be made using your public key. But I guess having the government itself provide the authentication service makes more sense.
I wonder if they'd actually honor 1 instead of forcing recipients to be registered, as presumably they'd be interested in tracking user activity.
Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?
#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The bots will eventually be indistinguishable from humans Not until they get issued government IDs they won't! Extrapolating from current trends, some form of online ID attestation (likely based on government-issued ID[1]) will become normal in the next decade, and naturally, this will be included in the anti-bot arsenal. It will be up to the site operator to trust identities signed by the Russian government. 1. De…
How does this work, though? We can't just have "send me a picture of your ID" because that is pointlessly easy to spoof - just copy someone else's ID. So there must be some verification that you, the person at the keyboard, is the same person as that ID identifies. The UK is rapidly finding out that that is extremely difficult to do reliably. Video doesn't really work reliably on all cases, and still images are too e…
Not good enough, providers and governments want proof of life and proof of identity that matches government IDs.
Without that, anyone can pretend to be their dead grandma/murder victim, or someone whose ID they stole.
Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?
#379This is a usually technical crowd, so I can't help but wonder if many people genuinely don't get it, or if they are just feigning a lack of understanding to be dismissive of Anubis. Sure, the people who make the AI scraper bots are going to figure out how to actually do the work. The point is that they hadn't, and this worked for quite a while. As the botmakers circumvent, new methods of proof-of-notbot will be made…
It really should be recognised just how many people are watching Cloudflare interstitials on nearly every site these days (and I totally get why this happens) yet making a huge amount of noise about Anubis on a very small amount of sites.
I don't trip over CloudFlare except when in a weird VPN, and then it always gets out of my way after the challenge.
Anubis screws with me a lot, and often doesn't work.
Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?
#380This is a usually technical crowd, so I can't help but wonder if many people genuinely don't get it, or if they are just feigning a lack of understanding to be dismissive of Anubis. Sure, the people who make the AI scraper bots are going to figure out how to actually do the work. The point is that they hadn't, and this worked for quite a while. As the botmakers circumvent, new methods of proof-of-notbot will be made…
This was obviously dumb when it launched:
1) scrapers just run a full browser and wait for the page to stabilize. They did this before this thing launched, so it probably never worked.
2) The AI reading the page needs something like 5 seconds * 1600W to process it. Assuming my phone can even perform that much compute as efficiently as a server class machine, it’d take a large multiple of five seconds to do it, and get stupid hot in the process.
Note that (2) holds even if the AI is doing something smart like batch processing 10-ish articles at once.