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Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by tptacek »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #336
tptacek wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not moralizing, I'm talking about whether it can work. If it's your site, you don't need to justify putting anything in front of it.

Did you accidentally reply to a wrong comment? (not trying to be snarky, just confused) The only "justification" there would be is that it keeps the server online that struggled under load before deploying it. That's the whole reason why major FLOSS projects and code forges have deployed Anubis. Nobody cares about bots downloading FLOSS code or kernel mailing lists archives; they care about keeping their infrastructu…

I just said you didn't have to justify it. I don't care why you run it. Run whatever you want. The point of the post is that regardless of your reasons for running it, it's unlikely to work in the long run.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by glandium »

xlbuttplug2 wrote: post #340
overfeed wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The bots will eventually be indistinguishable from humans Not until they get issued government IDs they won't! Extrapolating from current trends, some form of online ID attestation (likely based on government-issued ID[1]) will become normal in the next decade, and naturally, this will be included in the anti-bot arsenal. It will be up to the site operator to trust identities signed by the Russian government. 1. De…

The internet would come to a grinding halt as everyone would suddenly become mindful of their browsing. It's not hard to imagine a situation where, say, pornhub sells its access data and the next day you get sacked at your teaching job.

> sells its access data

or has it leaked somehow.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by seba_dos1 »

tptacek wrote: post #351
seba_dos1 wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you accidentally reply to a wrong comment? (not trying to be snarky, just confused) The only "justification" there would be is that it keeps the server online that struggled under load before deploying it. That's the whole reason why major FLOSS projects and code forges have deployed Anubis. Nobody cares about bots downloading FLOSS code or kernel mailing lists archives; they care about keeping their infrastructu…

I just said you didn't have to justify it. I don't care why you run it. Run whatever you want. The point of the post is that regardless of your reasons for running it, it's unlikely to work in the long run.

And what I said is that all these most visible deployments of Anubis did not deploy it to be a content protection system of any kind, so it doesn't have to work this way at all for them. As long as the server doesn't struggle with load anymore after deploying Anubis, it's a win - and it works so far.

(and frankly, it likely will only need to work until the bubble bursts, making "the long run" irrelevant)

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by jimmaswell »

themafia wrote: post #197
jimmaswell wrote: post #12

What exactly is so bad about AI crawlers compared to Google or Bing? Is there more volume or is it just "I don't like AI"?

If you want my help training up your billion dollar model then you should pay me. My content is for humans. If you're not a human you are an unwelcome burden. Search engines, at least, are designed to index the content, for the purpose of helping humans find it. Language models are designed to filch content out of my website so it can reproduce it later without telling the humans where it came from or linking them to…

> copyright attribution

You can't copyright an idea, only a specific expression of an idea. An LLM works at the level of "ideas" (in essence - for example if you subtract the vector for "woman" from "man" and add the difference to "king" you get a point very close to "queen") and reproduces them in new contexts and makes its own connections to other ideas. It would be absurd for you to demand attribution and payment every time someone who read your Python blog said "Python is dynamically type-checked and garbage-collected". Thankfully that's not how the law works. Abusive traffic is a problem, but the world is a better place if humans can learn from these ideas with the help of ChatGPT et al. and to say they shouldn't be allowed to just because your ego demands credit for every idea someone learns from you is purely selfish.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by chmod775 »

xlbuttplug2 wrote: post #340
overfeed wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The bots will eventually be indistinguishable from humans Not until they get issued government IDs they won't! Extrapolating from current trends, some form of online ID attestation (likely based on government-issued ID[1]) will become normal in the next decade, and naturally, this will be included in the anti-bot arsenal. It will be up to the site operator to trust identities signed by the Russian government. 1. De…

The internet would come to a grinding halt as everyone would suddenly become mindful of their browsing. It's not hard to imagine a situation where, say, pornhub sells its access data and the next day you get sacked at your teaching job.

It doesn't need to. Thanks to asymmetric cryptography governments can in theory provide you with a way to prove you are a human (or of a certain age) without:

1. the government knowing who you are authenticating yourself to

2. or the recipient learning anything but the fact that you are a human

3. or the recipient being able to link you to a previous session if you authenticate yourself again later

The EU is trying to build such a scheme for online age verification (I'm not sure if their scheme also extends to point 3 though. Probably?).

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by IncRnd »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #321
overfeed wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The bots will eventually be indistinguishable from humans Not until they get issued government IDs they won't! Extrapolating from current trends, some form of online ID attestation (likely based on government-issued ID[1]) will become normal in the next decade, and naturally, this will be included in the anti-bot arsenal. It will be up to the site operator to trust identities signed by the Russian government. 1. De…

How does this work, though? We can't just have "send me a picture of your ID" because that is pointlessly easy to spoof - just copy someone else's ID. So there must be some verification that you, the person at the keyboard, is the same person as that ID identifies. The UK is rapidly finding out that that is extremely difficult to do reliably. Video doesn't really work reliably on all cases, and still images are too e…

That is already solved by governments and businesses. If you have recently attempted to log into a US government website, you were probably told that you need Login.gov or ID.me. ID.me verifies identity via driver’s license, passport, Social Security number—and often requires users to take a video selfie, matched against uploaded ID images. If automated checks fail, a “Trusted Referee” video call is offered.

If you think this sounds suspiciously close the what businesses do with KYC, Know Your Customer, you're correct!

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by ummonk »

chmod775 wrote: post #355
xlbuttplug2 wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet would come to a grinding halt as everyone would suddenly become mindful of their browsing. It's not hard to imagine a situation where, say, pornhub sells its access data and the next day you get sacked at your teaching job.

It doesn't need to. Thanks to asymmetric cryptography governments can in theory provide you with a way to prove you are a human (or of a certain age) without: 1. the government knowing who you are authenticating yourself to 2. or the recipient learning anything but the fact that you are a human 3. or the recipient being able to link you to a previous session if you authenticate yourself again later The EU is trying t…

How would it prevent you from renting your identity out to a bot farm?

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by cakealert »

chmod775 wrote: post #355
xlbuttplug2 wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet would come to a grinding halt as everyone would suddenly become mindful of their browsing. It's not hard to imagine a situation where, say, pornhub sells its access data and the next day you get sacked at your teaching job.

It doesn't need to. Thanks to asymmetric cryptography governments can in theory provide you with a way to prove you are a human (or of a certain age) without: 1. the government knowing who you are authenticating yourself to 2. or the recipient learning anything but the fact that you are a human 3. or the recipient being able to link you to a previous session if you authenticate yourself again later The EU is trying t…

Such schemes have the fatal flaw that they can be trivially abused. All you need are a couple of stolen/sold identities and bots start proving their humanness and adultness to everyone.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by colordrops »

johnklos wrote: post #244

This is a usually technical crowd, so I can't help but wonder if many people genuinely don't get it, or if they are just feigning a lack of understanding to be dismissive of Anubis. Sure, the people who make the AI scraper bots are going to figure out how to actually do the work. The point is that they hadn't, and this worked for quite a while. As the botmakers circumvent, new methods of proof-of-notbot will be made…

On a side note, is the anime girl image customizable? I did a quick Google search an it seems that only the commercial version offers rebranding.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by semiquaver »

Arnavion wrote: post #45

>This dance to get access is just a minor annoyance for me, but I question how it proves I’m not a bot. These steps can be trivially and cheaply automated. >I think the end result is just an internet resource I need is a little harder to access, and we have to waste a small amount of energy. No need to mimic the actual challenge process. Just change your user agent to not have "Mozilla" in it; Anubis only serves you…

Doesn’t that just mean the AI bots can do the same? So what’s the point?
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