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Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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The traffic I'm seeing on a wiki I host looks like plain old scraping. When it hits it's a steady load of lots of traffic going all over, from lots of IPs. And they really like diffs between old page revisions for some reason.

That sounds like a really dumb scraper indeed. I don't think you'd want to feed very many diffs into a training run or most inference runs. But if there's a (discoverable) page comparing every revision of a page to every other revision, and a page has N revisions, there are going to be (N^2-N)/2 delta pages, so could it just be the majority of the distinct pages your Wiki has are deltas? I would think that by now the…

It's near-stock mediawiki, so it has a ton of old versions and diffs off the history tab but I'd expect a crawler to be able to handle it.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Im not on Firefox or any Firefox derivative and I still get anime cat girls making sure I'm not a bot.

Mozilla is used in the user agent string of all major browsers for historical reasons, but not necessarily headless ones or so on.

Oh that's interesting, I had no idea.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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How so? He brings good points and now there's two responses trying to make emotional appeal instead of address the hypocrisy. I know it's 2025, but I expected a bit better from this community.

Are you arguing that "poorly thought out solution from an AI sympathizer, it was probably vibecoded" is not an emotional appeal, or do you think it's unfair to respond to an emotional appeal with an emotional criticism?

I think their layer points based on actual events do lend credence to at least look deeper. The incentives don't line up for a tool to combat AI to utilize it for promotional material.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Even if the images aren’t the kind of sexualized (or downright pornographic) content this implies… having cutesy anime girls pop up when a user loads your site is, at best, wildly unprofessional. (Dare I say “cringe”?) For something as serious and legit as kernel.org to have this, I do think it’s frankly shocking and unacceptable.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.miwd.11... https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.miwd.11... “The future is now, old man”

This is the most hilarious thing I have ever read from HN, thank you.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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> This… makes no sense to me. Almost by definition, an AI vendor will have a datacenter full of compute capacity. It feels like this solution has the problem backwards, effectively only limiting access to those without resources or trying to conserve them.

A lot of these bots consume a shit load of resources specifically because they don't handle cookies, which causes some software (in my experience, notably phpBB) to consume a lot of resources. (Why phpBB here? Because it always creates a new session when you visit with no cookies. And sessions have to be stored in the database. Surprise!) Forcing the bots to store cookies to be able to reasonably access a service actually fixes this problem altogether.

Secondly, Anubis specifically targets bots that try to blend in with human traffic. Bots that don't try to blend in with humans are basically ignored and out-of-scope. Most malicious bots don't want to be targeted, so they want to blend in... so they kind of have to deal with this. If they want to avoid the Anubis challenge, they have to essentially identify themselves. If not, they have to solve it.

Finally... If bots really want to durably be able to pass Anubis challenges, they pretty much have no choice but to run the arbitrary code. Anything else would be a pretty straight-forward cat and mouse game. And, that means that being able to accelerate the challenge response is a non-starter: if they really want to pass it, and not appear like a bot, the path of least resistance is to simply run a browser. That's a big hurdle and definitely does increase the complexity of scraping the Internet. It increases more the more sites that use this sort of challenge system. While the scrapers have more resources, tools like Anubis scale the resources required a lot more for scraping operations than it does a specific random visitor.

To me, the most important point is that it only fights bot traffic that intentionally tries to blend in. That's why it's OK that the proof-of-work challenge is relatively weak: the point is that it's non-trivial and can't be ignored, not that it's particularly expensive to compute.

If bots want to avoid the challenge, they can always identify themselves. Of course, then they can also readily be blocked, which is exactly what they want to avoid.

In the long term, I think the success of this class of tools will stem from two things:

1. Anti-botting improvements, particularly in the ability to punish badly behaved bots, and possibly share reputation information across sites.

2. Diversity of implementations. More implementations of this concept will make it harder for bots to just hardcode fastpath challenge response implementations and force them to actually run the code in order to pass the challenge.

I haven't kept up with the developments too closely, but as silly as it seems I really do think this is a good idea. Whether it holds up as the metagame evolves is anyone's guess, but there's actually a lot of directions it could be taken to make it more effective without ruining it for everyone.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Sourcehut uses go-away, not Anubis.

https://sourcehut.org/blog/2025-04-15-you-cannot-have-our-us... > As you may have noticed, SourceHut has deployed Anubis to parts of our services to protect ourselves from aggressive LLM crawlers. Its nice that sourcehut themselves have talked about it on their own blog but I had discovered this through the anubis website themselves showcases or soemthing like that iirc.

https://sourcehut.org/blog/2025-05-29-whats-cooking-q2/

> A few weeks after this blog post, I moved us from Anubis to go-away, which is more configurable and allows us to reduce the user impact of Anubis (e.g. by offering challenges that don’t require JavaScript, or support text-mode browsers better). We have rolled this out on several services now, and unfortunately I think they’re going to remain necessary for a while yet – presumably until the bubble pops, I guess.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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They may have done it for themselves on those imageboards, but you're the one doing it with this one now. Why are a “generation of pervert kids” your cultural touchstone here?

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Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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No, the economics will never work out for a Proof of Work-based counter-abuse challenge. CPU is just too cheap in comparison to the cost of human latency. An hour of a server CPU costs $0.01. How much is an hour of your time worth? That's all the asymmetry you need to make it unviable. Even if the attacker is no better at solving the challenge than your browser is, there's no way to tune the monetary cost to be even…

But for a scraper to be effective it has to load orders of magnitude more pages than a human browses, so a fixed delay causes a human to take 1.1x as long, but it will slow down scraper by 100x. Requiring 100x more hardware to do the same job is absolutely a significant economic impediment.

The entire problem is that proof of work does not increase the cost of scraping by 100x. It does not even increase it by 100%. If you run the numbers, a reasonable estimate is that it increases the cost by maybe 0.1%. It is pure snakeoil.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Obviously the developer of Anubis thinks it is bypassing: https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis/issues/978

Fair, then I obviously think Xe may have a kinda misguided understanding of their own product. I still stand by the concept I stated above.

latest update from Xe:

> After further investigation and communication. This is not a bug. The threat actor group in question installed headless chrome and simply computed the proof of work. I'm just going to submit a default rule that blocks huawei.

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