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'Safety Today Is a Luxury,' Giorgetto Giugiaro Says After His Crash

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Re: 'Safety Today Is a Luxury,' Giorgetto Giugiaro Says After His Crash

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I think it's a shame that we can't add new safety features into older cars. I feel like there's very little engineering reasons why we can't, and it's mostly regulatory hurdles, that removes any economic incentives to do so. I've recently read an article about what constitutes the right balance of regulations when it comes to aviation safety, and that while regulations have made modern planes extremely safe, overly s…

There are older cars that have the same safety features as new ones but those cars are still expensive. I don’t remember any super novel safety feature that came up in last 10 to 15 years. Especially ones that could be just added to any car. Crumple zones are model specific you can’t just change those without making new car. Besides that older cars are less safe because they are old not because they lack safety featu…

Open Pilot essentially created an aftermarket advanced adaptive cruise control that works better than most brands outside of Tesla. They just can't sell it legally as a whole package, so you buy the hardware, but the software is open source.

The difficulty of modifying the body, is mostly a financial decision I think. The body is by-and-large optimized for assembly rather than repair and modifications - that's why body shops charge an arm and a leg.

> Crumple zones are model specific you can’t just change those without making new car.

Yep, and I think that's the problem. Cars should be designed in a way that you can make this kind of safety upgrades. There's little technical reason why with a more modular body and platform, the manufacturer can't design a new crumple zone for retrofit, run finite element analysis, and crash test it.

They may need to rethink fundamentally how mass-market cars are made, like using more fasteners instead of welding in the body and frame, or using plastic instead of sheet metal when they are not necessary, like for the body panels.

That old malfunctioning airbags should be able to be replaced easily.

But then it would incentivize the customers to keep their old cars instead of buying new ones.

Re: 'Safety Today Is a Luxury,' Giorgetto Giugiaro Says After His Crash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a shame that we can't add new safety features into older cars. I feel like there's very little engineering reasons why we can't, and it's mostly regulatory hurdles, that removes any economic incentives to do so. I've recently read an article about what constitutes the right balance of regulations when it comes to aviation safety, and that while regulations have made modern planes extremely safe, overly s…

I feel like there's very little engineering reasons why we can't... It's not an engineering problem. One could cut new holes in the front bumper of an old car, add forward-facing radar, tack on a display and a computer to drive it all, et voila! Now you have collision avoidance! Except even in volume, you've probably spent more than the car is worth (labor will be the killer, not hardware), or enough that the person…

>Except even in volume, you've probably spent more than the car is worth (labor will be the killer, not hardware), or enough that the person whose economics dictate an older car can't afford the upgrade.

I'm not sure why that needs to be the case. Open Pilot is essentially a working aftermarket kit, but they can't sell the whole kit legally, only the hardware.

Re: 'Safety Today Is a Luxury,' Giorgetto Giugiaro Says After His Crash

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What do you mean misleading? It is a direct quote.

The headline implies the situation "today" is somehow worse than it used to be, when this is manifestly not the case.

The headline implies Giorgetto Giugaro said something. If you infer something else, that's on you. It is important for media literacy to understand these distinctions.

Re: 'Safety Today Is a Luxury,' Giorgetto Giugiaro Says After His Crash

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Pedestrians walking around staring at their phones have made the streets less safe for pedestrians, as have drivers staring at their phones. IMO that phenomenon completely confounds any attempt at assessing real-world vehicle-pedestrian safety against older statistics.

Such a deference of responsibility. The world and the community should absolutely prioritize pedestrians. The driver operating a 5000 lb dangerous weapon should 100% be the responsible for the consequences.

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Re: 'Safety Today Is a Luxury,' Giorgetto Giugiaro Says After His Crash

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On the other hand, newer cars have gotten more dangerous for pedestrians. Safety is indeed a luxury.

Are we sure about this? In the US the pedestrian death rate from cars in 1980, 1990, 2000, 2010, and 2020 was 3.6, 2.6, 1.7, 1.4, and 2.0 per 100k. Some cursory research turns up some interesting characteristics of the increase from 2010 to 2020. • It was almost entirely in urban areas. • Over 2/3 was on non-freeway arterials. Only about 1.4% was at intersections. (The percent of pedestrian deaths at intersections is…

You need to factor in advancements in emergency medicine since 1980.

Re: 'Safety Today Is a Luxury,' Giorgetto Giugiaro Says After His Crash

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There are older cars that have the same safety features as new ones but those cars are still expensive. I don’t remember any super novel safety feature that came up in last 10 to 15 years. Especially ones that could be just added to any car. Crumple zones are model specific you can’t just change those without making new car. Besides that older cars are less safe because they are old not because they lack safety featu…

Open Pilot essentially created an aftermarket advanced adaptive cruise control that works better than most brands outside of Tesla. They just can't sell it legally as a whole package, so you buy the hardware, but the software is open source. The difficulty of modifying the body, is mostly a financial decision I think. The body is by-and-large optimized for assembly rather than repair and modifications - that's why bo…

You either know a lot about designing cars or you know nothing about it.

My guess is you know nothing about it based on malfunctioning airbags that should be possible to be replaced easily.

Airbags are one action components so until they fire up you don’t have certainty. You might check electrical connections or replace them „just in case”. Yes airbags might not be good after 15 years and I don’t think anyone who is driving 15yo car has money or is willing to spend money on replacing them.

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