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Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Post by PaulRobinson »

gbil wrote: post #45

A side question, both this and the VW power unlock payment from the other day, are targeting UK market, so is legislation (lack of it) such in the UK that allows for such practices?

Stealing cars is illegal in the UK, however you do it. Just having this "gameboy-like device", in your pocket is "going equipped", and you're going to get arrested on its discovery about your person outside of your abode. No ifs, no buts.

The UK has lots of new cars (plenty of cheap financing around for lease, PCP and HP deals), and there is a low-level epidemic of thefts of vehicles that end up in shipping containers and heading out of the country within hours. [0]

Car insurance is also so high in the UK at background levels that if you end up owning a highly desirable and very easy to steal car (the Range Rover a few years ago, for example), the costs being added to price in the risk of your car ending up in a container heading to the Middle East don't seem - as a percentage - particularly high.

The fact UK has great shipping throughput to the Middle East, Africa, and so on, is both a boon economically, but also it makes great cover for all sorts of shenanigans.

[0] https://www.containerlift.co.uk/cracking-the-code-uk-police-...

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Post by birdfood »

Mistletoe wrote: post #77
birdfood wrote: post #75

I want a dumb EV. No infotainment system. Just speakers and a way to plug my device into them. Anything critical to the car should be completely air gapped and require an absolute minimum amount of software, preferably zero.

Check out Slate trucks. I want that too and this seems to be perfect. Has windows you roll down even. Fingers crossed it actually launches. https://www.slate.auto/en

Yeah I’ve seen these posted here previously! Probably the most appealing new car to me at the moment. Hopefully they take off and we can get them outside the US

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Post by crooked-v »

birdfood wrote: post #75

I want a dumb EV. No infotainment system. Just speakers and a way to plug my device into them. Anything critical to the car should be completely air gapped and require an absolute minimum amount of software, preferably zero.

There will always be at least a basic screen in new cars in the US because of backup camera requirements.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Post by yccs27 »

wiradikusuma wrote: post #9

I understand that development costs are not free, and there's extra hardware involved, but IMO they should take this as marketing cost.

Not even a marketing cost, a delayed engineering cost to fix a fault in the product.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Post by lnsru »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #58
lokar wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I considered an ionic the last time I was getting a car. Now I’ll never again consider them.

The Kia Boys stuff, child labor, and ICCU failures weren't enough? The Ioniq 5 absolutely looks like a compelling car but from my POV Hyundai seems hell bent on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I once ordered Kia EV6, but after a year I canceled the order. I am now glad I canceled it. Bi-yearly inspections and coolant change for 600€ are ridiculous ripoffs. ICCU failures are handled really badly in Germany. I really like the EV6 and EV3 cars, but the manufacturer isn’t that attractive anymore

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Post by Dylan16807 »

thfuran wrote: post #62
Dylan16807 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At 4.5% loss per year, you'd still have 16% of cars running at 40 years. That's pretty normal.

By that logic, shouldn’t about 25% of US persons be 150, given the annual death rate of 9.28 per thousand?

No. Humans age in a way that cars don't, so "that logic" would not attempt to apply the same curve to humans.

If you're done nitpicking, you're welcome to explain your number better. You forgot to say how to apply "4.5%". I'm sure an exponential fit has issues, but a linear fit would be much worse, and anything fancy needs more data points.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Post by blixtra »

I’ve now had 2 IONIQ 5s stolen in Berlin, the last a couple months ago. Each seemingly using a keyless access hacking device. That’s enough for me to not see a Hyundai or Kia in my future anytime soon. And I very much liked the IONIQ 5. But if I can’t keep one more than 2 years, what’s the point? I’ve lost all trust in those companies, upgrade or not.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Post by bestouff »

crooked-v wrote: post #83
birdfood wrote: post #75

I want a dumb EV. No infotainment system. Just speakers and a way to plug my device into them. Anything critical to the car should be completely air gapped and require an absolute minimum amount of software, preferably zero.

There will always be at least a basic screen in new cars in the US because of backup camera requirements.

Yeah, a basic screen with Android Auto + Carplay (just the video passthrough, not the OS with installable apps) would be perfect.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Post by gambiting »

birdfood wrote: post #75

I want a dumb EV. No infotainment system. Just speakers and a way to plug my device into them. Anything critical to the car should be completely air gapped and require an absolute minimum amount of software, preferably zero.

We have a Volkswagen e-Up, it's basically that. Analog cluster, a very small radio screen that also displays the world's smallest reverse camera view, and a dashboard mount for your phone. It's a fantastic little car, I honestly like it more than our 400bhp Volvo XC60.
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