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Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Verge now reports that Hyundai is offering a security patch for this issue through software and hardware upgrades to Ioniq 5 customers. You do a hardware upgrade on the car to patch the vulnerability.

The etymology of patch harkens back to Larry Wall's UNIX patch tool for applying diffs to a source code base.

The etymology of patch predates software by hundreds of years.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#72

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As far as I'm concerned, security issues (outside of very niche situations) in a product mean that the product was defective. If you sell a defective product, you should be on the hook to correct the defect.

There’s no bright line that defines “defect” and makes this determination. What Hyundai should be considering here is whether consumers will decide that buying a car from a company that doesn’t fully own their security mistakes isn’t worth it.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#73
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They're swapping out hardware, which is why they're asking money for this to compensate the labor costs. Not saying this justifies it, but the title is misleading.

Agree the title is a bit misleading, but addressing what sounds like an exploit still feels like a patch of sorts. But yeah, “patch” usually implies software vs. hardware. Either way, agree with other comments that Hyundai should just eat the costs if it prevents theft due to an exploit. Having said that, given what the car costs, the fee doesn’t seem completely unreasonable.

Given what the car costs, you'd think they'd do this out of courtesy.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More than likely

No, they don't. You need to read the article. It says such devices cost $20k.

My understanding is that the firmware has some sort of DRM and it’s being sold - not freely distributed. (Admittedly, the comment I saw mentioning cost pegged it at 1k, not 20k for a license.)

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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post #22

They're swapping out hardware, which is why they're asking money for this to compensate the labor costs. Not saying this justifies it, but the title is misleading.

It doesn't matter. If a customer buys faulty hardware, it's the seller's responsibility to replace it with working hardware. If the breaks had a manufacturing defect, you wouldn't expect the customer to pay for the replacement.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#77

I want a dumb EV. No infotainment system. Just speakers and a way to plug my device into them. Anything critical to the car should be completely air gapped and require an absolute minimum amount of software, preferably zero.

Check out Slate trucks. I want that too and this seems to be perfect. Has windows you roll down even. Fingers crossed it actually launches.

https://www.slate.auto/en

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Kia Boyz" saga was primarily motivated by theft of the vehicle itself, not the contents of the vehicle.

Right, and even un-sexy and inexpensive vehicles get targeted these days, because they can be used as tools to commit other crimes, not just a commodity to be resold or scavenged.

A stolen car being a tool is why it is a commodity to be resold.
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