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Meta accessed women's health data from Flo app without consent, says court

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Re: Meta accessed women's health data from Flo app without consent, says court

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Post by akudha »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #18
kubb wrote: post #6

Whenever you think of a court versus Facebook, imagine one of these mini mice trying to stick it to a polar bear. Or a goblin versus a dragon, or a fly versus an elephant. These companies are for the most part effectively outside of the law. The only time they feel pressure is when they can lose market share, and there's risk of their platform being blocked in a jurisdiction. That's it.

All they need to do is impose a three digit fine per affected user and Facebook will immediately feel intense pressure.

$1 for the first user, $2 for second, $4 for third...By the 30th user, it would be painful even for mega corps. By 40th, it would be an absurd number.

Might also be worth trying to force them to display a banner on every page of the site "you're on facebook, you have no privacy here", like those warnings on cigarette boxes. These might not work though, people would just see and ignore them, just like smokers ignore warnings about cigarettes.

Re: Meta accessed women's health data from Flo app without consent, says court

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Post by s5300 »

landl0rd wrote: post #45
lightedman wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I can assure you, Meta is well aware of the situation, and a Luigi isn’t going to have a chance in this situation." Luigi was a dude with a 3D printed gun. I have LASERs with enough power to self-focus, have zero ballistic drop, and can dump as much power as a .50cal BMG in a millisecond burst of light which can hit you from the horizon's edge. All Zuck needs to do is stand by a window, and eyeballs would vaporize.

Mangione is going to either die rotting in prison, or preferably get sent to the electric chair. His life will be wasted. Meanwhile, UNH is continuing to do business as usual. One way or the other, mangione will die knowing his life was wasted, and that his legacy is not reform but cold-blooded murder. Call it a “day of rage” or just babyrage but we build systems so our bus factor can increase above 1. Just killing p…

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Re: Meta accessed women's health data from Flo app without consent, says court

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Post by PunchTornado »

comrade1234 wrote: post #17

I don't think many of you read the article... the Flo app is the one in the wrong here, not meta. The app people were sending user data to meta with no restrictions on its use. Despite however the court ruled.

> The app people were sending user data to meta with no restrictions on its use

And then meta accessed it. So unless you put restrictions on data, meta is going to access it. Don't you think it should be the other way around? Meta to ask for permission? Then we wouldn't have this sort of thing.

Re: Meta accessed women's health data from Flo app without consent, says court

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Post by kubb »

moolcool wrote: post #27
kubb wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, but this kinda implies that some person designed this way. It's a resultant sum of small vectors, with corporate lobbying playing a significant role. Corporate lobbying systemically can't do anything else than try to increase profits, which usually means less regulation. Clean slate design would require a system collapse.

When Facebook releases an AI Model for free: "Based Facebook. Zuckerberg is a genius visionary" When Facebook does something unforgivable: "It's a systemic problem. Zuck is just a smol bean"

Zuck can take his model onto his private island and talk to it instead of trying to be a normal human being.

Don't conflate me with the personality worshippers on HN, I'm not one of them, even though it seems like it to you because I also post here. You won't find a single instance of me glazing tech leaders.

Re: Meta accessed women's health data from Flo app without consent, says court

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Post by pllbnk »

Everybody misses the key information here - it’s a Belarusian app. CEO and CTO are Belarusian (probably there are more C-level people who are Belarusian or Russian). Not only are users giving up their private information but they are doing so to the malevolent (by definition) regimes.

When the Western app says they don’t sell or give out private information, you can be suspicious but still somewhat trustful. When a dictator-ruled country’s app does so, you can be certain every character you type in there is logged and processed by the government.

Re: Meta accessed women's health data from Flo app without consent, says court

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Post by kubb »

exe34 wrote: post #19
kubb wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, but this kinda implies that some person designed this way. It's a resultant sum of small vectors, with corporate lobbying playing a significant role. Corporate lobbying systemically can't do anything else than try to increase profits, which usually means less regulation. Clean slate design would require a system collapse.

> Funny, but this kinda implies that some person designed this way How do you get to that implication? I'm missing a step or two I think...

From "do you want X? this is how you get X". This invokes an image of talking to a person who decided the how, because they can be questioned on whether they want the X.

Re: Meta accessed women's health data from Flo app without consent, says court

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Post by gruez »

PunchTornado wrote: post #53
comrade1234 wrote: post #17

I don't think many of you read the article... the Flo app is the one in the wrong here, not meta. The app people were sending user data to meta with no restrictions on its use. Despite however the court ruled.

> The app people were sending user data to meta with no restrictions on its use And then meta accessed it. So unless you put restrictions on data, meta is going to access it. Don't you think it should be the other way around? Meta to ask for permission? Then we wouldn't have this sort of thing.

Do you think AWS should ask for permission before processing some random B2C app user's data?

Re: Meta accessed women's health data from Flo app without consent, says court

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Post by kubb »

potato3732842 wrote: post #28
kubb wrote: post #6

Whenever you think of a court versus Facebook, imagine one of these mini mice trying to stick it to a polar bear. Or a goblin versus a dragon, or a fly versus an elephant. These companies are for the most part effectively outside of the law. The only time they feel pressure is when they can lose market share, and there's risk of their platform being blocked in a jurisdiction. That's it.

>These companies are for the most part effectively outside of the law You have it wrong in the worst way. They are wholly inside the law because they have enough power to influence the people and systems that get to use discretion to determine what is and isn't inside the law. No amount of screeching about how laws ought to be enforced will affect them because they are tautologically legal, so long as they can afford…

Pedantic, but fair. You're right.

Re: Meta accessed women's health data from Flo app without consent, says court

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

landl0rd wrote: post #45
lightedman wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I can assure you, Meta is well aware of the situation, and a Luigi isn’t going to have a chance in this situation." Luigi was a dude with a 3D printed gun. I have LASERs with enough power to self-focus, have zero ballistic drop, and can dump as much power as a .50cal BMG in a millisecond burst of light which can hit you from the horizon's edge. All Zuck needs to do is stand by a window, and eyeballs would vaporize.

Mangione is going to either die rotting in prison, or preferably get sent to the electric chair. His life will be wasted. Meanwhile, UNH is continuing to do business as usual. One way or the other, mangione will die knowing his life was wasted, and that his legacy is not reform but cold-blooded murder. Call it a “day of rage” or just babyrage but we build systems so our bus factor can increase above 1. Just killing p…

>His life will be wasted.

His life was already wasted due to his medical condition. Don't ever bet aginst people with nothing to loose.

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