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GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by grepfru_it »

pjmlp wrote: post #332
ezoe wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot to mention the gaming section. Microsoft is acquiring a lot of game developers, put it on hold for a few years, then close subsidiary and layoff all employees. I guess generating hype by acquisition and increase valuation cause more profit than developing a real product. I'm beginning to think that using Microsoft services(yes, GitHub included) is morally questionable behaviour right now. I can't support t…

Yes, the whole XBox division has been a mess, especially after ABK. However XBox plus Microsoft Gaming Studios, is still one of the biggest group of AAA publishers, they have a big enough slice of the market. Hence why now they're dominating PlayStation charts with cross-platform games. Many Microsoft haters don't have an good enough idea of how big they have become on games industry, regardless of layoffs and such.…

I would not be surprised if Steam came to Xbox

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by jacquesm »

pjmlp wrote: post #336
justin66 wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. That happened three decades ago.

There was a new wind after Satya took over, but apparently it is slowly gone now.

To me it never made a difference. There was a concerted effort to put lipstick on the pig but it was still a pig.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by ants_everywhere »

IMO this was predictable and I recall walking a few people in the industry through the argument and suggesting they maintain a path to migrate off GitHub for when it finally gets re-orged.

Whenever someone makes a promise that a subsidiary or product will remain unchanged (typically because that's how customers/users prefer it), it's useful to ask whether that promise has any legal force that will prevent the company from reneging on the promise if organizational or market circumstances change.

There is almost never a barrier to having the organization change their mind, which means that the promise is at best a soft promise that in the near term they don't intend to change too much too quickly.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by jacquesm »

pjmlp wrote: post #202
throwaway290 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait Microsoft was cool at some point?

Did you missed the whole Microsoft <3 FOSS, right after Satya took over?

No way anybody really believed that. Or did they?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by palata »

mightysashiman wrote: post #255
pjmlp wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you missed the whole Microsoft <3 FOSS, right after Satya took over?

did anyone believe it?!

All those people who use Linux on their Windows machine instead of just installing a proper Linux distro.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by siva7 »

mzajc wrote: post #292
827a wrote: post #163

My deepest concern at this time isn't that AI eventually gets written down to nothing; because I don't think it will. Its that these companies are so scared of being out-competed by an AI-first competitor that they're willing to make deep sacrifices to their core businesses just to effectively virtue signal that they're AI first and unable to be out-competed. It is deeply concerning because all things point to realit…

intel.com's says "Simplify Your AI Journey - Intel". Their description meta tag says "Deliver AI at scale across cloud, data center, edge, and client with comprehensive hardware and software solutions." Their frontpage mentions "AI" 9 times, but has only 3 mentions of "processor" and zero of "CPU". I know they make processors, but they sure don't make it seem that way.

They realized they can't compete on processors, so they're moving on to greener pastures. Like kodak back then.

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Post by righthand »

pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

No need to extinguish what you can infinitely embrace with capital and extend into a puzzle.

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Post by yoyohello13 »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #29
yoyohello13 wrote: post #8

I moved to GitLab a year or so ago. It’s been great, I actually prefer GitLab ci

I did as well! No issues any worse than people using habitually using "github" to mean "the remote git repository in the cloud". I expect this will continue indefinitely until the product becomes little more than an AI training corpus and genericized trademark, similar to how our Xerox machines at work are actually made by Brother, while Xerox the actual brand has faded into obsolescence. I will note that we don't us…

We use GitLab ci, issue tracking, dep scanning, everything at work and I can report it is amazing. All self hosted and never had any issues. I’ve got our entire deployment process setup through GitLab ci and it’s been rock solid. It’s $150/month per seat for the ultimate tier, but it’s 100% been worth it for us.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by martin-t »

pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

I couldn't believe the number of people who were saying that "Microsoft are the good guys now" or "Microsoft loves open source now".

Microsoft stopped openly attacking open source at a time when open source was clearly winning:

- most servers were running linux

- most phones and tablets were running android

- people were buying tablets instead of desktops

- Google was openly promoting open source through GSOC

- large corporations were regularly releasing their tools as open source

Most importantly, developers openly hated Microsoft for holding the industry back (remember IE6?).

So they did what any good corporations does - they went along with the winning side.

And now they they have positive emotional connotations in devs' minds, or at least organizational buy-in again, they can do what corporations do best - making money by abusing their position with barely any competition.

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The lesson here are: - Corporations should simply not have this amount of power. - Corporations are amoral, they don't have values, views or beliefs. They are systems designed for optimizing goals. You can never _trust_ a corporation - not because they are untrustworthy but because trust is a human-to-human level concept, it does not have any meaning in human-to-system interaction.

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