So people are supposed to pay 10x the price of what they can get actually pretty decent used cars for and then not have control over the firmware?
These companies deserve bankruptcy.
Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network
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#112Had to look up "yuppie button" to figure out what they were on about. Sounds like a fun fellow. Lights up all of the lights on the back of the car for funsies. Oh they're all DOT-approved, so it's probably a good idea. Definitely a safety feature. Their manifesto makes them totally believe that everyone else on the road is the problem. https://techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/yb/
[...] pulling this wouldn't let handsfree Bluetooth phone stuff work either, but I've never had much need for that [...] Sounds like a fun fellow indeed.
Why?
I also don't have any need for that, because I never answer or even use my phone while driving.
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#113I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.
I'm not really worried about a lack of updates to an embedded device provided that it isn't network connected. To me the root of the issue, and also a far more concerning problem in and of itself, is that from what I understand modern vehicles are connected to the mobile network and phone home.
Dealerships will want you to service at their shops because they will upload all the BT metadata that the car has logged. Just because it can’t upload data on its own does not mean data instead logged.
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#114I'm starting to think the short software support isn't a bug, it's a feature. They want the car to feel obsolete in 5 years so you're pushed into buying the next model. It's the smartphone sales model, but for a $50,000 purchase.
Maybe owning a Corolla for ten years as my first car and now a fairly old Highlander screwed up my baseline understanding of how car ownership should work. If I paid that much for a car and it lasted five years I would talk to a lawyer about a lawsuit. I've never done that before and never really think about doing that but that's completely unacceptable.
I certainly would never ever buy from that brand again. I don't know how they expect to have repeat customers. Judging from what I've heard though it sounds like they're struggling to get first customers and the new "cars" are just pilling up.
Between the car scams, the housing scams etc we could be facing a pretty steeply deflationary environment in the next couple years. I can't imagine the banks will continue financing this insanity for too much longer.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another option is converting an ICE car to EV: https://openinverter.org/wiki/ZombieVerter_VCU https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43898280 https://youtube.com/@evbmw
Live somewhere with snow or near an ocean. Your frame now has a very short life span. Swapping engines isn't the actual problem.
I live in a place with very harsh winters, and our used cars usually command a premium, simply because we get cold enough that road salt is no longer effective, so the municipalities generally don't bother in the first place.
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#116I know of some modern vehicles that will not start at all if you go about removing the telematics unit. I am not sure how long will it take before you will not be able to buy a vehicle at all without having to consent to being monitored remotely 24x7, but it will happen sooner than later. And this coming from a developing country. Pretty sure it is much worse in the developed world. I guess the market for second hand…
I am actually fascinated by car electronics. I had heavily modified the software on mine, but it was easier than modern stuff, no encryption of the code, and even the checksum code only triggered a DTC with no consequences. The only module that was encrypted was the main module, but it if you knew the security PIN you could do what you wanted. It was determined by people that if you observed the jitter of the CAN lin…
P2 Volvo?
Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network
#117I know of some modern vehicles that will not start at all if you go about removing the telematics unit. I am not sure how long will it take before you will not be able to buy a vehicle at all without having to consent to being monitored remotely 24x7, but it will happen sooner than later. And this coming from a developing country. Pretty sure it is much worse in the developed world. I guess the market for second hand…
Some developing countries such as India, are completely banning the ply of old vehicles on the road.
I'd imagine India has some pretty insane stuff driving around so that's not surprising. The US effectively did that (arguably even more extremely) 15 years ago with the "cash for clunkers" thing.
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#118I would like to see some legal and regulatory steps. When we purchased our Ioniq, there was no agreement for data sharing, etc. - we have basically a cash register receipt, nothing more. Whenever there is a major update, an insanely long T&A appears on the screen. No one is going to read it. The only options are "accept" or clicking it away. If you click it away, it comes back the next day. It cannot possibly be lega…
I've been told T&A after you bought a product is actually not legal in the EU. The popups still appear, and everyone clicks thorugh. It can't be legal. Whatever they want me to agree with, they have to force me at checkout time. Everything beyond that is plain ransomeware.
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#119>Finally I realized that it just took a little more force in the right places, and managed to work it loose one clip at a time.
I f-ing hate this crap. And it's only gonna get worse because "hurr durr snappy plastic" is one of those industry circle jerks that exists because academia indoctrinated a generation into it.
You can have snappy plastic that isn't subject to breaking if you remove it wrong if you a) design it simpler and less trick b) use a couple cents more material c) use better plastic. And before all the stupid professionals start screeching about cost and weight... there's usually no cost difference at the end of the day because doing what I suggested reduces tooling costs and makes your QC pass window wider.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, safety is impacted, but it seems to be up to you. If you want to go down like _a real man_ because your car couldn't call emergency services that's your choice. Other people might (hopefully) make another choice.
Well thats a choice right? We dont NEED these systems, its just mandated by governments. Just like here in spain they changed from emergency triangles that you need to put on the street to a little crappy light you put ontop of the car. That light will do nothing in sunny spain or if your car happened to stop after a curve. Its stupid crap mandated by governments to make it look like they are actually doing something…
> If they want to take my car apart to figure out that i disabled it, then go ahead. I'll just pull the plug the moment you force me to plug it back in.
Be that stupid if you want to. But rest assured that insurance companies will always try to get their money back or not pay at all if something has happened. If they find out that you tampered with your eCall system and if they can somehow link some damage to that, you will be held liable.