Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

techno-fandom.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

91–100 of 272 posts

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

#91

Post by bradley13 »

I would like to see some legal and regulatory steps. When we purchased our Ioniq, there was no agreement for data sharing, etc. - we have basically a cash register receipt, nothing more.

Whenever there is a major update, an insanely long T&A appears on the screen. No one is going to read it. The only options are "accept" or clicking it away. If you click it away, it comes back the next day. It cannot possibly be legal for them to basically force T&A - a one-sided contract change - on customers.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

#92

Post by regularfry »

Terr_ wrote: post #5

On the less-technical side, Hyundai has a corporate-legal mechanism to request "Delete personal information" [0] that might be worth doing, just to round things out. > one step of which involved removing this "garnish" panel behind the screen. Easier said than done Different year/model, but same experience with the same task: I really hate situations where the secret is "a suspicious amount of force", especially if t…

Having worked in a car factory, getting involved in the rectification side of things, I can say that "a suspicious amount of force" is pretty normal for this stuff. If you're working on a car you need to be able to get behind the panels, but they need to be held on well enough to never, ever rattle.

Looking for trustworthy information these days is much easier than it used to be, there are generally technician training videos on youtube that will show you where and how to pop panels off.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

#93

Post by regulimgfdi »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #73
wickedsight wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I start driving at a speed that is safe for the distance they're keeping (in stead of what should be the other way around). That is usually quite effective.

That distance is also a function of their speed though.

You'll just have to lower it more if they start getting closer again. Eventually they'll get the courage to pass instead of hugging your rear bumper, and at safer speeds too

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

#94

Post by zevon »

gonzo41 wrote: post #11
zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

Consider an electric cargo bike if you're life will suite it.

It may be easy to get a simple(ish) one now, but there are already a lot of e-bikes out there with "smarts", apps, vendor-lock-ins up the wazoo, cellular connection and the like. If electric cargo bikes ever go mainstream, I expect the majority of them will be techifyed in the same vein as the Hyundai the author wrote about.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

#95

Post by kotaKat »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #32
rconti wrote: post #22

Had to look up "yuppie button" to figure out what they were on about. Sounds like a fun fellow. Lights up all of the lights on the back of the car for funsies. Oh they're all DOT-approved, so it's probably a good idea. Definitely a safety feature. Their manifesto makes them totally believe that everyone else on the road is the problem. https://techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/yb/

The techno fandom page is actually quite measured and reasonable. It's not a crazy idea to prevent dangerous behavior of those behind you.

30+ paragraphs is not “measured” or “reasonable” and I’m glad I’m not stuck behind this miserable guy on the highway as he huffs his jenkem going 56 in a 55 trying to blast all his rear lights at people.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

#96

Post by calgoo »

martin_a wrote: post #58
jvdvegt wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose such system is mandatory in a car when it's sold , such after sales changes would be fine as safety is not directly impacted. Source: my daily drive is a car without a modem on European roads, no problem.

Well, safety is impacted, but it seems to be up to you. If you want to go down like _a real man_ because your car couldn't call emergency services that's your choice. Other people might (hopefully) make another choice.

Well thats a choice right? We dont NEED these systems, its just mandated by governments. Just like here in spain they changed from emergency triangles that you need to put on the street to a little crappy light you put ontop of the car. That light will do nothing in sunny spain or if your car happened to stop after a curve. Its stupid crap mandated by governments to make it look like they are actually doing something new, but they forget about basic stuff. Same thing with this call system, its my car so my choice. If they want to take my car apart to figure out that i disabled it, then go ahead. I'll just pull the plug the moment you force me to plug it back in.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

#98

Post by themafia »

pabs3 wrote: post #30
zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

Another option is converting an ICE car to EV: https://openinverter.org/wiki/ZombieVerter_VCU https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43898280 https://youtube.com/@evbmw

Live somewhere with snow or near an ocean. Your frame now has a very short life span. Swapping engines isn't the actual problem.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

#99

Post by themafia »

CraigJPerry wrote: post #52
layoric wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same, early 2010s IMO seems to be the point where the industry really started to shift. There are some good cars from before this time, but keep them running past the 2030s will be a challenge.

What happened in the early 2010s? 1980s widespread adoption of electronic fuel injection - this is generally a good thing, cars become more complex but run better more of the time 1990s widespread adoption of more advanced emissions control systems - for reliability i'd say this is only a backwards step - none of these systems are required to propel the car down the road but many of them can stop a car from driving.…

> What happened in the early 2010s?

According to the industry people stopped doing maintenance and were more likely to trade in their vehicle for a new one. So they stopped optimizing for that segment of the audience and started making disposable cars.

Truthfully, industry watched the government bail out the banks, require next to nothing in return, and demanded no prosecutions for illegal behavior. The writing was pretty much on the wall. Industry realized it no longer needed happy customers.

Post reply on HN