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Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by justforfunhere »

I know of some modern vehicles that will not start at all if you go about removing the telematics unit.

I am not sure how long will it take before you will not be able to buy a vehicle at all without having to consent to being monitored remotely 24x7, but it will happen sooner than later. And this coming from a developing country. Pretty sure it is much worse in the developed world.

I guess the market for second hand older vehicles might see an uptick because of this and might also see a boom in demand for expertise of maintaining and rejuvenating such vehicles.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by rconti »

Had to look up "yuppie button" to figure out what they were on about.

Sounds like a fun fellow. Lights up all of the lights on the back of the car for funsies. Oh they're all DOT-approved, so it's probably a good idea. Definitely a safety feature. Their manifesto makes them totally believe that everyone else on the road is the problem.

https://techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/yb/

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by EvanAnderson »

I am all for removing this needless communication the manufacturers are equipping cars with now, but between your cell phone associating with towers, the Flock cameras that every municipality has eagerly deployed, the repo bounty people driving parking lots with LPRs, and LEOs with on-car LPRs you're still being tracked.

Still, no reason to make it easier.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by achierius »

esalman wrote: post #15
zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

There's no way they're going to keep a modular car functioning for years without relying on frequent software updates.

Concretely, why not? If you don't get updates, there's nothing to break the thing -- and if you don't have a network connection, you don't need the security updates.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by flomo »

layoric wrote: post #7
zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

Same, early 2010s IMO seems to be the point where the industry really started to shift. There are some good cars from before this time, but keep them running past the 2030s will be a challenge.

This problem solved itself on my car because it only has a 3G modem.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by navigate8310 »

justforfunhere wrote: post #21

I know of some modern vehicles that will not start at all if you go about removing the telematics unit. I am not sure how long will it take before you will not be able to buy a vehicle at all without having to consent to being monitored remotely 24x7, but it will happen sooner than later. And this coming from a developing country. Pretty sure it is much worse in the developed world. I guess the market for second hand…

Some developing countries such as India, are completely banning the ply of old vehicles on the road.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by dangus »

Terr_ wrote: post #6
zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

I'm hopeful that stuff like Android Auto or Apple CarPlay will continue moving some of the risky obsolete-able complexity away of the giant expensive machine I plan to keep for over a decade (the car) and into smaller easier-to-replace ones (my smartphone.) A quick outline for those who haven't used them: The car's head-display becomes mostly-controlled by your phone, which is what supplies any navigation, music, pod…

This is not the direction that the software is going in.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/05/carplay-ultra-the-nex...

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by [deleted] »

rconti wrote: post #22

Had to look up "yuppie button" to figure out what they were on about. Sounds like a fun fellow. Lights up all of the lights on the back of the car for funsies. Oh they're all DOT-approved, so it's probably a good idea. Definitely a safety feature. Their manifesto makes them totally believe that everyone else on the road is the problem. https://techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/yb/

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Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by dwattttt »

Terr_ wrote: post #5

On the less-technical side, Hyundai has a corporate-legal mechanism to request "Delete personal information" [0] that might be worth doing, just to round things out. > one step of which involved removing this "garnish" panel behind the screen. Easier said than done Different year/model, but same experience with the same task: I really hate situations where the secret is "a suspicious amount of force", especially if t…

Plus they're fun to say. Spudger!

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by pabs3 »

zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

Another option is converting an ICE car to EV:

https://openinverter.org/wiki/ZombieVerter_VCU https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43898280 https://youtube.com/@evbmw

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