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Re: Fight Chat Control

#101

Post by cbeach »

rdm_blackhole wrote: post #61
lordnacho wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't make this shit up. The Danish government (currently holding the rotating chair) also raised the pension age for everyone. Other than themselves. But also, how does this get implemented? What's stopping me from using, say, Signal, which being OSS would likely have a single line I could comment out and compile for myself? How would I get busted for that? Or I could get clever and have AI generate some random chat…

This is only the first step in the process. First they will force all messaging/email providers to implement the scanning. Those who refuse or decide to leave the EU as Signal said they would do, would end up being unlisted from Google Play or the Apple (EU) app store. Then the second phase is coming by 2030. Read about the ProtectEU (what a fucking ridiculous name) proposal which will mandate the scanning on device…

ProtectEU sounds incredibly dark. Do you have a source for the information regarding on-device scanning? I had a look but only found the bureaucrat-speak overview and they didn’t discuss details.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#102

Post by impossiblefork »

9dev wrote: post #4
isoprophlex wrote: post #2

God fucking damn it not again This is, what, the fifth time in ten years they try to pass shit like this?

They only need to succeed one time . People are generally preoccupied with a lot of other things right now, so maybe this is their lucky shot…

They actually did succeed once, with the data retention directive. That got annulled by the CoJEU.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#103

Post by OldfieldFund »

medlazik wrote: post #87
Disposal8433 wrote: post #9

I'm French and every idiot supports it, even the so-called left. There is nothing I can do except donate money every month to GrapheneOS ( https://grapheneos.org/donate ). Democracy is dead for me.

Not sure what you call the "so-called left", but the actual left (LFI) certainly doesn't support Chat Control

probably they call "so-called left" the liberals

Re: Fight Chat Control

#104

Post by realusername »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #62
realusername wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France is just very regressive when it comes to the internet, any laws which can make the situation worse is usually voted by all parties (see neighbouring rights or any anti-piracy laws), I don't think there's any real reasoning.

The country is predominantly Catholic. So both prudish views on sexual content, but also wanting to pretend sexual abuse by priests in their religion, and their religion protecting those priests, isn't the problem - nope, it's the interwebs creating child abusers. That is coupled with racist fear of terrorist attacks being committed by the African and middle eastern immigrant populations. Sure are a lot of white elep…

There's some old influence from the religion for sure but it's nowhere as important as you think.

France is still one of the least religious countries in Europe (Czech Republic usually being the least religious and France in the second position) and people talk about sex openly like a normal subject even at work.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#105

Post by api »

echelon wrote: post #96
jaharios wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of actual pedophiles will be exposed if it was used on politicians, we don't want that.

While we're talking about corrupt politicians, why is this all happening all at once? America, Great Britain, and the EU are all creating tracking, monitoring, and censorship regulations. All at the same time. We're turning the internet into the 1984 inevitability it was predicted to become. We need a Bill of Rights against this. But the public is too lay to push for this. Bolstering or eroding privacy rights will ne…

For over a decade now there’s been a huge global shift toward authoritarianism, and to some extent it’s grassroots. My speculation is that this is a time of unprecedented change and that scares people. We also have aging populations due to lower birth rates and older people tend (on average) toward nostalgic reactionary politics.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#106

Post by r33b33 »

Centigonal wrote: post #25

In the US, we have government programs like PRISM and unchecked oligopolies that surveil us and use that information to identify dissent, sell us ads, and alter our behavior. In the EU, there are these initiatives to surveil us in the name of safety. Is there any regime out there who's not trying to mass-surveil their citizens for one reason or another?

yeah, Japan

Re: Fight Chat Control

#107

Post by moffkalast »

echelon wrote: post #96
jaharios wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of actual pedophiles will be exposed if it was used on politicians, we don't want that.

While we're talking about corrupt politicians, why is this all happening all at once? America, Great Britain, and the EU are all creating tracking, monitoring, and censorship regulations. All at the same time. We're turning the internet into the 1984 inevitability it was predicted to become. We need a Bill of Rights against this. But the public is too lay to push for this. Bolstering or eroding privacy rights will ne…

I would not be surprised if it's the US pressuring everyone else. Thiel is probably salivating to get a deal for Palantir to implement it.

That said, the UK doesn't need much convincing in this regard I suppose, they've always had their fair share of extreme laws along these lines and Leyen has personally dreamt of this for ages.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#108

Post by 0x000xca0xfe »

9dev wrote: post #82
rdm_blackhole wrote: post #29

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No, that’s the worst conclusion to draw. The EU is the only hope we have if we don’t want to become a toy for the US and China. We need to save the EU from these people!

They already see us as a toy. Even Russia can't take EU serious.

We could have economic and military cooperation without this circus.

It's not even actually democratic and veto powers of tiny countries like hungary have turned common foreign policy into a joke.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#109

Post by ukprogrammer »

HN applauds this vibe-coded “privacy” site yet condemns decentralized messaging.

States control what’s centralized; incentives ensure they keep doing so.

Protesting it is like arguing with a thermostat—it can’t hear you, and it’s built to tighten control.

As technologists, we have a lot more power than we realise.

(Yes, I’m speaking to the blob, but the Venn overlap of anti-crypto and pro-this seems big.)

Re: Fight Chat Control

#110

Post by betaby »

alphazard wrote: post #83

So what is the real solution? Meaning the solution that an individual could use themselves, without further coordination, to insulate themselves from this policy. Is it an Android distribution? Jailbreaking? Custom builds?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution probably a solution
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