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A message from Intel CEO Lip-Bu Tan to all company employees

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Re: A message from Intel CEO Lip-Bu Tan to all company employees

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Post by otterley »

brahhd wrote: post #170
standardUser wrote: post #144

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Not an apt comparison. GM needed $50 billion in government funds just to stay alive.

All of tech is propped up by the government. GenX and Millennials watched too many "Sprite; you do you" commercials and grew up believing in their autonomy and freedom. But American government was always at the wheel, via regulation, law, and drinks in DC off the clock. It's all PR to say our system free market and the like. Intel wouldn't exist without falling in line over the decades.

In what ways was the PC revolution propped up by the government?

Re: A message from Intel CEO Lip-Bu Tan to all company employees

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Post by otterley »

catigula wrote: post #174
dismalaf wrote: post #171

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https://hms.harvard.edu/news/ancient-dna-provides-new-insigh... Ashkenazi specifically are mixed at most, but still have middle eastern DNA. Other Jewish groups are nearly entirely middle eastern. Pretty incredible how you can find a way to insert anti-Semitism into a post about the Intel CEO.

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Personal attacks are not permitted here. If you disagree with someone, that’s your right. And we don’t ban people for being wrong.

Re: A message from Intel CEO Lip-Bu Tan to all company employees

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Post by jiggawatts »

lovich wrote: post #133
os2warpman wrote: post #123

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> Yet even in this current “bad chips” era, Intel is only, at worst, about 10% behind in gaming performance (largely due to cache disparity) Gaming is irrelevant. For AMD, gaming (both console and PC combined) is less revenue than embedded-- things like those routers you can get off of aliexpress and Synology NASes. Enterprise, cloud, and AI are the only things that matter, and even enterprise is falling off. Back in…

I’ve found that a lot of my friends who are into pc gaming still haven’t grokked that ever since the crypto boom, much less the ai boom, that they are the old toys that no one wants to play with anymore. I had a friend who legitimately could not understand why Nvidia didn’t care about their reputation in the gaming market souring even after I showed him the numbers on how much nvidia is selling to corporations now. I…

Too true, but at the same time... gamers didn't disappear. The market is still there.

Sooner or later, someone else will fill the need. That may be AMD, it could be Intel if they just focus for more than a year, or it'll be some cheap Chinese GPU from a company you've never heard of. (Likely named by mashing the keyboard while capslock is on.)

It's like how the mainframe market is bigger than it has ever been, despite being an irrelevant rounding error in the minds of the "Wintel" server providers, cloud vendors, etc...

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Post by dyauspitr »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #62
tengwar2 wrote: post #24

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Partly home-made. Arm Holdings is British-based, but owned by Softbank Group (Japanese).

Japan is our ally.

We won’t have any allies left at the end of next year besides maybe Russia and Israel.

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Post by jiggawatts »

hakfoo wrote: post #201
johnnyanmac wrote: post #163

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Gaming is still a multi billion dollar industry, and touches into all the other aspects you mentioned as well. Losing out to AMD for Xbox/Playstation was definitely a costly loss. >Look at Nvidia. Gaming went from their cash crop to burdensome baggage in just a couple of years. Yes, marking up your consumer hardware by 4-5x to appeal to crypto miners surely does have an effect on your market. Arguably, AI saved them…

I wonder what risks the bubble has for them. If they can sell every $30K AI accelerator they make right now, that might cause them to overextend, committing to up-front capacity or long term projects that are financed by the current spend patterns, or just neglecting other parts of their product line. If the hype dies and they're back to selling 5090s to gamers, can they afford to pay those bills?

Historically the answer has been "no". When a company pivots to doing something that becomes 90% of their revenue, there is no way to go back to doing whatever the 10% was. Imagine NOKIA going back to manufacturing gumboots, which is how that company started out!

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Post by dyauspitr »

travem wrote: post #129
sashank_1509 wrote: post #115

So now being a bad CEO who is not of European ethnicity, will have the sitting president insinuate you not so subtly for treason. Wild. A cursory Wikipedia search confirms Tan was born in Malaysia, has lived in US for 40+ years in California, and is a practicing Christian.

The context in the related AP article shows that they were CEO of Cadence during the time when that company violated export control rules by selling certain technology to Chinese organizations linked to the Chinese military. > According to the U.S. Department of Justice, Cadence, in July, agreed to plead guilty to resolve charges that it violated export controls rules to sell hardware and software to China’s National…

Why are you using they? It’s a man.

Re: A message from Intel CEO Lip-Bu Tan to all company employees

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Post by dyauspitr »

catigula wrote: post #169
dismalaf wrote: post #167

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Jews aren't ethnically European and plenty of white Americans have sold state secrets.

Ashkenazi Jews are ethnically European and plenty of people driving motorcycles have lived but there is a statistical connection between driving motorcycles and dying.

Well they’re mixed with Semitic and in our socially constructed definition of race they’re not ethnically European.

Re: A message from Intel CEO Lip-Bu Tan to all company employees

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Post by dismalaf »

catigula wrote: post #174
dismalaf wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/ancient-dna-provides-new-insigh... Ashkenazi specifically are mixed at most, but still have middle eastern DNA. Other Jewish groups are nearly entirely middle eastern. Pretty incredible how you can find a way to insert anti-Semitism into a post about the Intel CEO.

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You literally invoked 2 racist tropes about Jews in a topic about a Malayan born American CEO who has links to Chinese companies, then doubled down...

The lack of self awareness is mind boggling.

And of course you won't read the link, facts don't matter to people like you anyway.

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Post by prinny_ »

addaon wrote: post #150
7speter wrote: post #140

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How effective would Gelsinger be at returning after the then previous CEO took the company in a totally different path and practically trashed Gelsinger’s original plan?

> How effective would Gelsinger be Effective at what? Intel’s done, it’s on the Boeing trajectory, it’s just about grabbing what you can as the ship goes down.

I highly doubt the US government will let Intel sink. I think one way or another they will bail them, either by emergency funds or through government contracts, and keep the lights on until they turn things around. For the same reasons they didn’t let Boeing die out.
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