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Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by Karunamon »

benologist wrote: post #60
Karunamon wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also carries a lot of unspoken subtext, commonly used by opponents of a position to denigrate the argument without ever responding to it. "Oh it's just propaganda, it can be ignored" What exactly is misleading about TF's posting?

Propaganda doesn't have to be "misleading", it's pushing the same narrow viewpoint over and over again to further some agenda. The agenda's called "making money off ads". This article's a great example since this money is only a small increase on the annual aid Sweden has been giving Cambodia for years , as pointed out in comments. Or in TorrentFreak speak, "Sweden bribing Cambodia for Pirate Bay arrest since 1979!".

Propaganda doesn't have to be "misleading"

It does according to the dictionary definitions I'm reading. Going by your definition, any viewpoint can be "propaganda" as long as it's repeated often enough for an agenda. Civil rights comes to mind, where the agenda is equality, but you don't hear anyone but far-right wingnuts calling the repeated insistence that discrimination is wrong propaganda.

It's a loaded term, best avoided.

The agenda's called "making money off people who want to believe they're the hero in this story for pirating X"

And there's the denigration. That didn't take long.

This article's a great example since this money is only a small increase on the annual aid Sweden has been giving Cambodia for years

50% is a small increase?!

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by benologist »

Karunamon wrote: post #61
benologist wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda doesn't have to be "misleading", it's pushing the same narrow viewpoint over and over again to further some agenda. The agenda's called "making money off ads". This article's a great example since this money is only a small increase on the annual aid Sweden has been giving Cambodia for years , as pointed out in comments. Or in TorrentFreak speak, "Sweden bribing Cambodia for Pirate Bay arrest since 1979!".

Propaganda doesn't have to be "misleading" It does according to the dictionary definitions I'm reading. Going by your definition, any viewpoint can be "propaganda" as long as it's repeated often enough for an agenda. Civil rights comes to mind, where the agenda is equality, but you don't hear anyone but far-right wingnuts calling the repeated insistence that discrimination is wrong propaganda. It's a loaded term, bes…

From 189 million SEK in 2009 to 200 million in 2012. Yawn.

http://www.swedenabroad.com/en-GB/Embassies/Phnom-Penh/Devel...

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by sandstrom »

mcantelon wrote: post #35
chollida1 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ah, so the folks who were inexplicably sure that it had nothing to do with his Pirate Bay association were completely wrong. I know that was probably an emotional response and the phrase "correlation does not imply causation" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_caus... ) gets thrown around here alot more than it should but that's a very strong statement to make. Is it possible that it's true,…

Yes, plausible deniability is present... the Swedish may have a soft spot for Cambodia's challenges. A list of Swedish foreign aid amounts and recipients would be interesting to compare this $59M with.

Here is a list of Swedish foreign aid amounts dating back some thirty years:

http://www.openaid.se/en/countries

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by sandstrom »

Peer wrote: post #18

Am I the only one tired over how TorrentFreak will say anything, related or not, to try to confirm their bias? This aid was decided on for over 5 months ago, in march 2012 ( http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/574/a/94013 ), and it is obviously not the result of Sweden trying to get at Svartholm. But if you want to be believe it then please do...

Here is a historical breakdown of previous Swedish aid to Cambodia (data from 1975 and onwards):

http://www.openaid.se/en/countries/kambodja?year=2011

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by itcmcgrath »

itcmcgrath wrote: post #31
wccrawford wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying they did, but it's possible that they threatened to withhold this aid if they didn't get him. We currently don't know, and saying either way at this point doesn't mean much. We need some actual proof.

I'm not saying they did, but it is possible thay they threatened to bomb them with buckets of blue paint if they didn't get him. We currently don't know, and saying either way at this point doesn't mean much. We need some actual proof. Or, in other words, you can pretty much make up anything and flag it as a possible reason. A common ploy in propaganda which causes the same affect, if you if add a disclaimer that 'we…

s/affect/effect/ Proof-reading fail.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by adgar »

wccrawford wrote: post #26
Peer wrote: post #18

Am I the only one tired over how TorrentFreak will say anything, related or not, to try to confirm their bias? This aid was decided on for over 5 months ago, in march 2012 ( http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/574/a/94013 ), and it is obviously not the result of Sweden trying to get at Svartholm. But if you want to be believe it then please do...

I'm not saying they did, but it's possible that they threatened to withhold this aid if they didn't get him. We currently don't know, and saying either way at this point doesn't mean much. We need some actual proof.

You're right. We're just asking questions. There's nothing wrong about asking questions when there's no proof one way or the other.

That's why I think Barack Obama is from Kenya and Karl Rove personally blew up the twin towers.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by naturalethic »

Zirro wrote: post #59
guelo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't know Sweeden gave money to Cambodia and I am glad that TorrentFreak informed me of this. Foreign aid from rich to poor countries is used in general to keep diplomatic cooperation flowing smoothly in matters of interest to the giver country.

Sweden is one of few countries that reach the United Nations goal stating that countries should give one percent of their GNP as foreign aid. According to the reports I could find it is currently the largest giver of foreign aid in the world, with regards to it's economy and population. This wasn't spontaneous. It happens every year although the amounts changes as we see here.

Poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.
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