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Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by itcmcgrath »

wccrawford wrote: post #26
Peer wrote: post #18

Am I the only one tired over how TorrentFreak will say anything, related or not, to try to confirm their bias? This aid was decided on for over 5 months ago, in march 2012 ( http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/574/a/94013 ), and it is obviously not the result of Sweden trying to get at Svartholm. But if you want to be believe it then please do...

I'm not saying they did, but it's possible that they threatened to withhold this aid if they didn't get him. We currently don't know, and saying either way at this point doesn't mean much. We need some actual proof.

I'm not saying they did, but it is possible thay they threatened to bomb them with buckets of blue paint if they didn't get him.

We currently don't know, and saying either way at this point doesn't mean much. We need some actual proof.

Or, in other words, you can pretty much make up anything and flag it as a possible reason. A common ploy in propaganda which causes the same affect, if you if add a disclaimer that 'we just don't know'

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by guelo »

Peer wrote: post #18

Am I the only one tired over how TorrentFreak will say anything, related or not, to try to confirm their bias? This aid was decided on for over 5 months ago, in march 2012 ( http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/574/a/94013 ), and it is obviously not the result of Sweden trying to get at Svartholm. But if you want to be believe it then please do...

I didn't know Sweeden gave money to Cambodia and I am glad that TorrentFreak informed me of this. Foreign aid from rich to poor countries is used in general to keep diplomatic cooperation flowing smoothly in matters of interest to the giver country.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by guelo »

mongol wrote: post #15
revelation wrote: post #7

An aid package of 60 million dollars would be three times the amount they spent yearly on Cambodia in the last decade (with little variance). See [1]. [1]: http://www.openaid.se/en/countries/kambodja?year=2012

Except the 60 million dollars are for two years, as described in the article linked from Torrentfreak. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-09/05/c_1318292...

So it is a 50% increase from 20 to 30 million.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by reinhardt »

mongol wrote: post #15
revelation wrote: post #7

An aid package of 60 million dollars would be three times the amount they spent yearly on Cambodia in the last decade (with little variance). See [1]. [1]: http://www.openaid.se/en/countries/kambodja?year=2012

Except the 60 million dollars are for two years, as described in the article linked from Torrentfreak. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-09/05/c_1318292...

So "only" 150% of the average yearly state expenses instead of 300%. Was there a point you were trying to make or you're just being pedantic?

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by mcantelon »

chollida1 wrote: post #17
mcantelon wrote: post #9

Ah, so the folks who were inexplicably sure that it had nothing to do with his Pirate Bay association were completely wrong. The good news, I guess, is that Swedish prison will likely be a less heinous experience.

> Ah, so the folks who were inexplicably sure that it had nothing to do with his Pirate Bay association were completely wrong. I know that was probably an emotional response and the phrase "correlation does not imply causation" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_caus... ) gets thrown around here alot more than it should but that's a very strong statement to make. Is it possible that it's true,…

Yes, plausible deniability is present... the Swedish may have a soft spot for Cambodia's challenges. A list of Swedish foreign aid amounts and recipients would be interesting to compare this $59M with.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by reinhardt »

Peer wrote: post #18

Am I the only one tired over how TorrentFreak will say anything, related or not, to try to confirm their bias? This aid was decided on for over 5 months ago, in march 2012 ( http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/574/a/94013 ), and it is obviously not the result of Sweden trying to get at Svartholm. But if you want to be believe it then please do...

Nobody is claiming that Svartholm alone was worth $60M to Sweden. Still, is it equally "obvious" to you that not even a tiny fraction of the lump amount was allocated to "strengthen the relationships between the immigration departments" of the two countries? If you want to believe it then please do...

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by kmfrk »

Peer wrote: post #18

Am I the only one tired over how TorrentFreak will say anything, related or not, to try to confirm their bias? This aid was decided on for over 5 months ago, in march 2012 ( http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/574/a/94013 ), and it is obviously not the result of Sweden trying to get at Svartholm. But if you want to be believe it then please do...

Oh yeah. It's basically only good for learning about when a tracker gets shut down.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by staffan »

This is not a story.

Sweden have in the past (since 1979) sent aid to Cambodia.

In 2011 we sent 168 million SEK and in 2012 and 2013 we will send 200 million (a total of 400 million for 2 years) and this was decided a long time ago.

Do you really think Sweden will pay 400 million to get one person back and have him serve ONE year in prison?

http://www.swedenabroad.com/sv-SE/Ambassader/Phnom-Penh/Utve...

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by Peer »

reinhardt wrote: post #36
Peer wrote: post #18

Am I the only one tired over how TorrentFreak will say anything, related or not, to try to confirm their bias? This aid was decided on for over 5 months ago, in march 2012 ( http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/574/a/94013 ), and it is obviously not the result of Sweden trying to get at Svartholm. But if you want to be believe it then please do...

Nobody is claiming that Svartholm alone was worth $60M to Sweden. Still, is it equally "obvious" to you that not even a tiny fraction of the lump amount was allocated to "strengthen the relationships between the immigration departments" of the two countries? If you want to believe it then please do...

I thought that was exactly what the article tried to imply.

From the article: "But today, in another one of those unusual political coincidences, Cambodian officials announced the “strengthening of bilateral ties” with Sweden – along with a $59 million aid package sweetener."

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Arrest Followed By $59m Swedish Aid Package For Cambodia

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Post by vannevar »

mhurron wrote: post #14
vannevar wrote: post #10

A more interesting question is, who is paying the Swedes, and how? They really don't have a dog in this fight, so whatever motivation they have, it hasn't been made public. Yet.

> They really don't have a dog in this fight Really? "The Pirate Bay (commonly abbreviated TPB) is a Swedish file-sharing website founded in 2003..." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pirate_Bay There are media companies in other parts of the world too you know. The world is a big place, it even exists outside the US.

Thanks for the enlightening observation, but I'm already quite aware that TPB is in Sweden; nonetheless, the Swedish government has gone to what would seem to be extraordinary lengths to punish an offense that has had a minimal impact on its citizens, and rather disproportionate impact on outsiders. I ask again, what are the Swedes getting out of this?
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