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Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by ezfe »

numpad0 wrote: post #132
ezfe wrote: post #77

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Android phones don't support it globally so saying that Apple is "forced" to compete where Android doesn't proves the point that they're doing more than needed.

iPhone just wasn't going to exit the curious gadget status and become a first class citizen in the Japanese phone market without it. Same for emoji support and flick inputs and lots of those little things. They were never forced to compete in the sense that no one is forced to be first class citizen anywhere. Apple just wanted to be by its own free will. That's technically correct.

Android have those features in Japan but not worldwide. iPhone has them worldwide.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by ezfe »

Shank wrote: post #79
ezfe wrote: post #77

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Android phones don't support it globally so saying that Apple is "forced" to compete where Android doesn't proves the point that they're doing more than needed.

Just because you can provision Felica cards outside of Japan doesn't mean that you can actually use them. It's not really global support if you can add Suica in the US and then not use it. More likely is that Felica Networks agreed with this logic and Apple is only paying the license fee for JP devices, or has some side deal about not delineating between regions. If Apple didn't support Felica, it would just move mor…

Felica cards work worldwide on iPhone, there is no limitation that the phone is in Japan to use them.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by nuker »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #258
nuker wrote: post #231

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"Former Facebook insiders explain why the company is making such a big fuss over Apple's upcoming privacy change" https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/03/11/why-facebook-is-so-upset... I have not heard similar tantrum from FB over Android. Makes sense as it is made by an Ad company.

that was not the question the question was: You: >Then Facebook will grant its app all permission entitlements, and will direct all users to opt-out lockdown for the app to work. input_sh: > Are they doing that on Android right now? So is Facebook granting its app all permission entitlements, and directing all users to opt-out lockdown for the app to work on Android?

They don't, no need, Android works for them. They don't on iOS too, iOS alt app stores did not hit US yet. They will, if iOS alt stores will become global thing, or the hypothetical "lockdown opt-out", that started the whole thread.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by mvdtnz »

Arainach wrote: post #162
yupyupyups wrote: post #48

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>and as we all know that'll be the end of the world. I'll enjoy seeing all the accounts on MacRumors clawing their eyes out when that happens. It would be naive to think that Apple isn't funding sites and narratives on the internet to serve their economic interests. One of the most outlandish one being that freedom to use your phone however you want would necessarily compromise security and privacy for everyone. It's…

>freedom to use your phone however you want would necessarily compromise security and privacy for everyone. For a large enough definition of "everyone", it would. "Everyone" has a Meta app installed. We've seen them pull evil tricks over and over to suck up data 24/7 - most recently running a local server on Android that their websites could talk to to bypass anonymization - and the moment a crack appears in the wall…

> and the moment a crack appears in the walled garden Meta will say "go install the FB/Instagram app from our app store with no privacy policy reviews"

People keep saying this, but how do you explain the years and years of Meta/Facebook operating on Android without ever doing this?

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by j_maffe »

Alupis wrote: post #262
bigyabai wrote: post #248

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I stand by what I said. Apple used to be the leading smartphone manufacturer in China, now they aren't even in the top 5. Sometimes things change, and I doubt China's in shambles because Airdrop isn't ubiquitous. I see no reason why Japan would be different. The notion that American tech companies are invincible is really only a view held by Americans. The overwhelming majority of people I speak to internationally do…

Maybe not brand loyalty... but people, universally, want the best product available. Today, for a large portion of the world, that is perceived to be the iPhone. The iPhone being banned in Japan because of some policy dispute with the government is going to go over like a bag of wet cement. People may not care that it's "Apple", but they do care the "Best" is being banned for reasons the population doesn't care about…

Who told you that these are reasons the population doesn't care about? I know at least in Europe there has been wide support for initiatives such as the DMA, even knowing what it would entail. You're running on conjecture here.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by KerrAvon »

Shank wrote: post #173
KerrAvon wrote: post #153

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On recent US SKU iPhones — don’t know how recent —- you can add a Suica card directly to Apple Wallet annd use it anywhere the physical card is accepted. No weird regional deals.

It is only accepted in Japan.

Other transit cards are available in Apple Wallet!

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by crapple8430 »

natch wrote: post #269
t1234s wrote: post #245

Not being able to run firefox is the only reason I don't use an iPhone.

What does Firefox give you, I mean what are the benefits? Some extensions that only work in Firefox, I guess? This is the only annoyance I'm aware of but it's real.

ublock origin is a necessity for browsing the web. Not having it is more than an annoyance for me.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by numpad0 »

ezfe wrote: post #270
Shank wrote: post #173

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It is only accepted in Japan.

Which isn't Apple's problem to solve...? I'm not sure what your point is. If a Suica reader existed in the US it would work.

Which btw is a shame. JRE would make a bank if they enabled it for Tap to Pay on iPhone worldwide.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by Alupis »

j_maffe wrote: post #275
Alupis wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not brand loyalty... but people, universally, want the best product available. Today, for a large portion of the world, that is perceived to be the iPhone. The iPhone being banned in Japan because of some policy dispute with the government is going to go over like a bag of wet cement. People may not care that it's "Apple", but they do care the "Best" is being banned for reasons the population doesn't care about…

Who told you that these are reasons the population doesn't care about? I know at least in Europe there has been wide support for initiatives such as the DMA, even knowing what it would entail. You're running on conjecture here.

You think the population of Japan will be ok with banning iPhones because their governments thinks other web browsers should run on the devices too?

How many iPhone users, outside of a small group of "techies" are even aware there are other mobile browsers?

Think about your parents or grandparents - not you, someone who has vastly more knowledge in this area. How many "normals" really care... I'd wager near zero.

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