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Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by Dah00n »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #37
npteljes wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's Safari is unfortunately not keeping away the Web from being a Chrome monoculture.

Apple is the only thing keeping web standards in place. Many vendors we work with only support Chrome, including Chrome... on iOS. Which means because on iOS that's just Safari, the website has to meet web standards. So we know thanks to Apple, it'll work on Firefox! Soon as this happens, Chrome is the web. The OWA knows this, it's their goal, it's an astroturf outfit.

What? Safari is the IE of today. It is the browser that holds the web back the most.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by fidotron »

Japan has a funny relationship with Apple. For example, the Felica ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FeliCa ) based ticket system is built into every iPhone globally, making life in Japan significantly easier for foreign iOS users. More surprisingly actually using the tickets does not require any app at all - you just use Apple Pay.

This is all narrowing the scope of what advantages native apps have (they do still have advantages), but it's hard to argue they simply aren't moving gatekeeping to other areas.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by Dah00n »

ImHereToVote wrote: post #9
kjfaejgoaeijhei wrote: post #4

to anyone who believes this is good news: enjoy your chrome monoculture in a few years when apple stops developing safari

I use Brave. Just fork it.

Hope they don't do suspicious stuff again again again then.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by a_vanderbilt »

agust wrote: post #2

So after the EU and the UK, Japan is now putting an end to Apple's iOS alternative browser engine ban too. Those are 3 large jurisdictions, I wonder if that's now a market big enough for Chrome and Firefox to invest into iOS versions of their browser that use Blink and Gecko under the hood. From what I heard this was one of the main reasons they haven't done it yet.

Culturally, the Japanese aren't likely to care. Take a look at Linux usage in Japan to get what I mean. You will have a small but very dedicated group of users who won't change for anything, and then the masses who just use what is convenient. They don't like tweaking.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by [deleted] »

fidotron wrote: post #52

Japan has a funny relationship with Apple. For example, the Felica ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FeliCa ) based ticket system is built into every iPhone globally, making life in Japan significantly easier for foreign iOS users. More surprisingly actually using the tickets does not require any app at all - you just use Apple Pay. This is all narrowing the scope of what advantages native apps have (they do still have…

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Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by devinprater »

HHad3 wrote: post #35

I would welcome if this global legislative push would end up in a more open app ecosystem for iOS overall. BrowserEngineKit is a thin wrapper over XPC and iOS' extension system. The system would be so much better to develop for if XPC was an open API, and JIT for isolated sub-processes was permitted without Apple's blessing. * Messengers could have separate sub-processes for preprocessing untrusted inputs -- iMessage…

Not only speedy emulation, but more efficient too, since it doesn't have to struggle so much through interpretation. That would help battery life and keep phones from heating up just playing a game from 2008.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

Dah00n wrote: post #51
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is the only thing keeping web standards in place. Many vendors we work with only support Chrome, including Chrome... on iOS. Which means because on iOS that's just Safari, the website has to meet web standards. So we know thanks to Apple, it'll work on Firefox! Soon as this happens, Chrome is the web. The OWA knows this, it's their goal, it's an astroturf outfit.

What? Safari is the IE of today. It is the browser that holds the web back the most.

Chrome is the IE of today: It's the single platform developers are developing for instead of web standards. The fact developers have to support Safari, a least common denominator, is the only thing protecting the web.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by delfinom »

fidotron wrote: post #52

Japan has a funny relationship with Apple. For example, the Felica ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FeliCa ) based ticket system is built into every iPhone globally, making life in Japan significantly easier for foreign iOS users. More surprisingly actually using the tickets does not require any app at all - you just use Apple Pay. This is all narrowing the scope of what advantages native apps have (they do still have…

FeliCa is simply a patent issue. Apple got some sort of sweetheart deal somewhere.

Every Google Pixel has FeliCa its just turned off on non-Japan phones due to said licensing, though people have rooted the phone to turn it on.

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