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Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by swax »

brotchie wrote: post #9

First AI thing that’s made me feel a bit of derealization… …and this is the worst the capabilities will ever be. Watching the video created a glimmer of doubt that perhaps my current reality is a future version of myself, or some other consciousness, that’s living its life in an AI hallucinated environment.

It's an unsettling feeling as what's more complicated - all the atoms and galaxies, trillions of life forms, the unimaginable distances of our universe OR a relatively simple world model that is our conscious experience and nothing else.

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

sunsunsunsun wrote: post #211
yomismoaqui wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is, why are you doing art? - Because you enjoy it - Because you get pats in the back from people you share it with - Because you want to earn money from it The 1st one will continue to be true in this dystopian AI art future, the other not so much. And sincerely I find that kind of human art, the one that comes from a pure inner force, the more interesting one. EDIT: list formatting

You seem to forget that most artists enjoy it but due to the structure of our society are forced to either give it up for most of their waking life to earn money or attempt to market their art to the masses to make money. This AI stuff only makes it harder for artists to make any kind of living off of their work.

While there are plenty of cases where good artists make most of their money from the art, there are plenty of other cases where good artists have a 'real job' on the side.

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Post by rohit89 »

Saline9515 wrote: post #218
skybrian wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Music is already a commodity. You can just buy some anonymous background music to play in your restaurant. No effort required.

Yes but I don't want to hear some anonymous background music. A better example would be Spotify replacing artist-made music recommandations with low-quality alternatives, to reduce what it pays to artists. Everyone except Spotify loses in this scenario.

In the future, everyone will have their own ai agents capable of generating music to their own tastes. They won't be using spotify.

The future with AI is not going to be our current world with some parts replaced by AI. It will be a whole new way of life.

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Post by seanw444 »

roboboffin wrote: post #128
timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

In theory, creativity is an infinite space. As technology advances it allows humans to explore more and more complex things; take the advancement of music as an example, synths, loops etc. If humans are not stretched to their limits, and are still able to be creative, then the tools will help us find our way through this infinite space. AI will never be able to generate everything for us, because that means it will n…

It doesn't need to generate everything. It only needs to be marginally better or more efficient than a human for it to start generating everything humans need when needed.

Edit: left the page open for a while before responding, and the other person responded with basically the same thing within that time.

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Post by psbp »

pizzathyme wrote: post #180
p4coder wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Today physical world is largely mechanized, we rarely walk, run lift heavy things for survival. So we grow fat and weak unless we exercise. Tomorrow vast majority of us will never think, create, investigate for earning a living. So we will get dumb and dumber over time. A small minority of us will keep polishing their intellect but will never be smarter than machines just like the best athletes of today can't outrun…

This is surprisingly a great analogy because millions of people still run every week for their own benefit (physical and mental health, social connection, etc). I wonder if mental exercises will move to the same category? Not necessarily a way to earn money, but something everybody does as a way of flourishing as a human.

The process of thinking and exploring ideas is inherently enriching.

Nothing can take away your ability to have incredible experiences, except if the robots kill us all.

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Post by rohit89 »

Bjorkbat wrote: post #186
Bjorkbat wrote: post #166

Genuinely technically impressive, but I have a weird issue with calling these world simulator models. To me, they're video game simulator models. I've only ever seen demos of these models where things happen from a first-person or 3rd-person perspective, often in the sort of context where you are controlling some sort of playable avatar. I've never seen a demo where they prompted a model to simulate a forest ecology…

Also, to drive my point further home, in one of the demos they were operating a jetski during a festival. If the jetski bumps into a small Chinese lantern, it will move the lantern. Impressive. However, when the jetski bumped into some sort of floating structure the structure itself was completely unaffected while the jetski simply stopped moving. This is a pretty clear example of video game physics at work. In the r…

The goal is to eventually be able to model physics and all the various interactions accurately.

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Post by teamonkey »

seydor wrote: post #80

Would progress in these be faster if they created 3d meshes and animations instead of full frame videos?

I always wonder why they’re not chasing more pragmatic and lower-hanging fruit first.

There’s absolutely no reason that a game needs to be generated frame-by-frame like this. It seems like a deeply unserious approach to making games.

(My feeling is that it must be easier to train this way.)

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Post by lentil_soup »

pixelesque wrote: post #132
timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

What's interesting to me along these lines is I assume most of the companies funding the research are targeting the "creative" media in terms of image generation, music generation, avatars, speach, etc. I can understand it's very interesting from a researcher's point-of-view (I'm a software dev who's worked adjacent to some ML researchers doing pipeline stuff to integrate models into software), but at the same time:…

Or replacing CEOs, investors, bankers? I would have thought those would be easier to replace than creating robots to clean or replacing artists, or even developers. Maybe I am wrong?
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