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Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by Kiro »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

I don't understand your argument at all. I've made hundreds of songs in my life that I haven't shared with anyone and so have all other musicians I know. The act of creating is separate from finding or having an audience. In fact, I would say that the complete opposite of what you say is true.

And even so, music production has been a constant evolution of replacing prior technologies and making it easier to get into. It used to be gatekept by expensive hardware.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by casenmgreen »

diwank wrote: post #70
modeless wrote: post #13

Consistency over multiple minutes and it runs in real time at 720p? I did not expect world models to be this good yet. > Genie 3’s consistency is an emergent capability So this just happened from scaling the model, rather than being a consequence of deliberate architecture changes? Edit: here is some commentary on limitations from someone who tried it: https://x.com/tejasdkulkarni/status/1952737669894574264 > - Physi…

> Future robots may learn in their dreams... So prescient. I definitely think this will be a thing in the near future ~12-18 months time horizon

I may be wrong, but this seems to make no sense.

A neural net can produce information outside of its original data set, but it is all and directly derived from that initial set. There are fundamental information constraints here. You cannot use a neural net to itself generate from its existing data set wholly new and original full quality training data for itself.

You can use a neural net to generate data, and you can train a net on that data, but you'll end up with something which is no good.

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Post by pantalaimon »

glenstein wrote: post #134
pantalaimon wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joscha Bach postulates that what we call consciousness must be something rather simple, an emergent property present in all sufficiently complex biological organisms. We don't inherit any software, so cognitive function must bootstrap itself from it's underlying structure alone. https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-self-models-of-loving-grace

>We don't inherit any software, so cognitive function must bootstrap itself from it's underlying structure alone. Hardware and software, as metaphors applied to biology, I think are better understood as a continuum than a binary, and if we don't inherit any software (is that true?), we at least inherit assembly code.

> we don't inherit any software (is that true?), we at least inherit assembly code

To stay with the metaphor, DNA could be rather understood as firmware that runs on the cell. What I mean with software is the 'mind' that runs on a collection of cells. Things like language, thoughts and ideas.

There is also a second level of software that runs not on a single mind alone, but collection of minds, to form cliques or a societies. But this is not encoded in genes, but in memes.

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Post by myrmidon »

dingnuts wrote: post #107
dist-epoch wrote: post #93

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> Looks like a pretty decent explanation of Fermi paradox. It's not. We will be replaced, but the AI will carry on.

this is a religious opinion at this state of technological development lol a lot of these comments border on cult thinking. it's a fucking text to 3D image model, not R Daneel Olivaw, calm down

Do you honestly believe that human minds won't be overtaken within the century?

I'll concede that it might take even longer to get full artificial human capabilities (robust, selfrepairing, selfreplicating, adaptable), but the writing is on the wall.

Even in the very best case that I see (non-malicious AI with a soft practical ceiling not too far beyond human capabilities) poses giant challenges for our whole society, just in ressource allocation alone (because people, as workers, become practically worthless, undermining our whole system completely).

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by Bjorkbat »

Genuinely technically impressive, but I have a weird issue with calling these world simulator models. To me, they're video game simulator models.

I've only ever seen demos of these models where things happen from a first-person or 3rd-person perspective, often in the sort of context where you are controlling some sort of playable avatar. I've never seen a demo where they prompted a model to simulate a forest ecology and it simulated the complex interplay of life.

Hence, it feels like a video game simulator, or put another way, a simulator of a simulator of a world model.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by p4coder »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

Today physical world is largely mechanized, we rarely walk, run lift heavy things for survival. So we grow fat and weak unless we exercise. Tomorrow vast majority of us will never think, create, investigate for earning a living. So we will get dumb and dumber over time. A small minority of us will keep polishing their intellect but will never be smarter than machines just like the best athletes of today can't outrun machines.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by yencabulator »

suddenlybananas wrote: post #45
crossbody wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. E.g. clay tablets, physical books will not be meaningfully better.

Yes, but they're not going to get any worse.

Books are printed on worse paper these days that doesn't last as long.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by dartharva »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

I look at it as the pendulum swinging back.

For too long has humanity been collectively submerged into this hyper-consumption of the arts. We, our parents and our grandparents have been getting bombarded by some or the other form of artificial dopamine sweets - from videos to reels to xeets to "news" to ads to tunes to mainstream media - every second of the day, every single day. The kind of media consumption we have every day is something our forefathers would have been overwhelmed by within an hour. It is not natural.

This complete cheapening of the arts is finally giving us a chance to shed off this load for good.

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