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Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by dandellion »

brotchie wrote: post #9

First AI thing that’s made me feel a bit of derealization… …and this is the worst the capabilities will ever be. Watching the video created a glimmer of doubt that perhaps my current reality is a future version of myself, or some other consciousness, that’s living its life in an AI hallucinated environment.

I suggest you go to google/bing/whatever floats your boat and search "it will only get better" then filter results earlier than 2010. Things that I just found that were going to "only get better":

- Google search

- Web browsers

- Web content

- Internet Explorer

- Music

- Flight process at Mosul airport

- Star Wars

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by silveraxe93 »

ivape wrote: post #65
silveraxe93 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it actually unbelievable? It's basically what every major AI lab head is saying from the start. It's the peanut gallery that keeps saying they are lying to get funding.

It's akin to us sending a rocket to space and immediately discovering a wormhole. Sure, there's a lot of science about what's out there, but to discover all this in our first few trips to orbit ...

Lemme start by saying this is objectively amazing. But I just really wouldn't call it a breakthrough.

We had one breakthrough a couple of years ago with GPT-3, where we found that neural networks / transformers + scale does wonders. Everything else has been a smooth continuous improvement. Compare today's announcement to Genie-2[1] release less than 1 year ago.

The speed is insane, but not surprising if you put in context on how fast AI is advancing. Again, nothing _new_. Just absurdly fast continuous progress.

[1] - https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/genie-2-a-large-scale-...

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by ivape »

Fraterkes wrote: post #54
crossbody wrote: post #43

I am much more convinced now that the Simulation Argument is correct

I’m seeing a lot of variations on this in this thread, but we have been able to render photoreal things, and do intricate physical simulations, for a long time. This is mostly impressive because it is a real-time way to generate and render big, intricate worlds. But if you believe reality is a simulation, why would these “efficient” world-generation methods convince you of anything? The tech our reality would have to…

but we have been able to render photoreal things, and do intricate physical simulations, for a long time.

Not like this we haven't. This is convincing because I can have any of you close your eyes and imagine a world where pink rabbits hand out parking tickets. We're a neurolink away from going from thought > to prompt > to fantasy.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by timeattack »

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive.

Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replacement.

Granted, you can say "you still can play musical instruments/paint pictures/etc for yourself", but I don't think there was ever a period of time where creative works were just created for sake of itself rather for sharing it with others at masse.

So what is final state here for us? Return to menial not-yet-automated work? And when this would be eventually automated, what's left? Plug our brains to personalized autogenerated worlds that are tailored to trigger related neuronal circuitry for producing ever increasing dopamine levels and finally burn our brains out (which is arguably already happening with tiktok-style leasure)? And how you are supposed to pay for that, if all work is automated? How economics of that is supposed to work?

Looks like a pretty decent explanation of Fermi paradox. No-one would know how technology works, there are no easily available resources left to make use of simpler tech and planet is littered to the point of no return.

How to even find the value in living given all of that?

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Post by ecshafer »

mclau157 wrote: post #26

I can see this being incredible for history lessons and history school lectures

Why? Sure a virtual walk around the Pantheon in all its glory would be nice. But would that really improve history lessons? It doesn't help students understand why things happened, and what the consequences were and how they have impacted the rest of history of the modern world.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by ecshafer »

scotty79 wrote: post #68
MarkusQ wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some physicist once said "I endeavor to never write more clearly than I think"; in the same way, history probably shouldn't be presented more vividly than it's understood. (We already have this problem with people remembering incidental details and emotional vibes from historical fiction as if they were established historical fact; VR diffusion delusions would make this much worse.)

History is mostly made up. You can be sure mostly about general facts. The other 80% are just narratives.

If you read actual history the historians typically go into quite a lot of depth on why they think X happened as opposed to Y, and what the limitations are on the theories and the reasoning. The amount of archaeological and written records we have is very important to those facts.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by crossbody »

ivape wrote: post #73
Fraterkes wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m seeing a lot of variations on this in this thread, but we have been able to render photoreal things, and do intricate physical simulations, for a long time. This is mostly impressive because it is a real-time way to generate and render big, intricate worlds. But if you believe reality is a simulation, why would these “efficient” world-generation methods convince you of anything? The tech our reality would have to…

but we have been able to render photoreal things, and do intricate physical simulations, for a long time. Not like this we haven't. This is convincing because I can have any of you close your eyes and imagine a world where pink rabbits hand out parking tickets. We're a neurolink away from going from thought > to prompt > to fantasy.

Agree with ivape.

To add: our reality does not have to be rendered in it's entirety, we'll just have very convincing and unscripted first-person view simulations. Only what you look at is getting rendered (e.g. tiny structures only get rendered when you use microscope).

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by delfinom »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

All I know is I am investing into suicide booth startups
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