Industrial espionage has to be totally insane to defend against these days.
I frequently wonder what steps SpaceX security has to take, given the insane geopolitical significance of reusable rockets and cheap access to orbit.
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#52Industrial espionage has to be totally insane to defend against these days.
I frequently wonder what steps SpaceX security has to take, given the insane geopolitical significance of reusable rockets and cheap access to orbit.
I would say the main element of their success is not really in any specific close kept secrets - its in actually committing to reusable rockets and keep working until they had a working system.
While there are some really nice components and clever ideas (Merlin/Raptor engines & very good guidance tech) this all really has been doable for decades in less efficient form.
But so far no one other than Space X has been able to win against all the naysayers who were so sure only single use rockets are ever going to work, get enough funding to build a partial RLV & then operate it successfully as a business.
I don't think it depends on any single technology or a set of them only they have access to - rather that they have been able to persist and see it through, unlike all the other RLV projects that never got funding to go past the paper stage or very simply not viable (Space shuttle).
Re: TSMC says employees tried to steal trade secrets on iPhone 18 chip process
#53This article was just the headline repeated in various forms with some generic filler So strange
At least, it doesnt look like chatgptese.
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I frequently wonder what steps SpaceX security has to take, given the insane geopolitical significance of reusable rockets and cheap access to orbit.
Spacex rocketry tech is subject to ITAR regulations. That restricts who they’re allowed to contract with, data encryption and handling, but altogether those regulations are quite bare. It likely wouldn’t be enough to stop a state actor or rogue employees.
I think ITAR is mostly just to stop the outright sale of controlled items to foreign entities, not necessarily to prevent IP theft or corporate espionage.
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make no sense since Rapidus 2nm process is from IBM.
idk which shocking, Japanese company try to steal TSMC or IBM have 2nm process out of nowhere
"Out of nowhere" would be a stretch. IBM may not have mass-market volume anymore but they kept up the production chain to build mainframes (and I would guess other "specialty" products) for institutional customers.
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This is such a bad idea.
Care to say why? Security always comes at a cost ...
You don't need to deliberately create silos in order to secure a project. We've had people working on top secret projects and while people may not have known the specifics the company was kept up to date on the progress and outcomes of the project. We brought people in from other teams after an extra vetting process and additional NDA specific to that project.
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#57Grandpa worked heat treat at the alegany national forge, where they made stuff like the beams for the empire state building, periscope tubes, and the 16" guns for the biggest battle ships, each thing had to be tempered in a very specific way, and to deal with spying and espionage, the charts and instuments used on the shop floor were all deliberatly wrong,and the written instructions were also wrong leaving the person in charge to know how to convert the given instructions into
what was actualy done through a secret method, not complicated, but essentialy impossible to reverse engineer.
There is a story of soviet engineers who somehow were invited to tour the RR jet turbine factory, and were given shoes that had extra sticky soles they wore only for the tour, which ewere then used to anyalise the metal chips that get picked up from the shop floor.....
never ends, expected.....even honored
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#58Could someone help contextualize what parts of this manufacturing process are considered the most important and closely guarded trade secrets? I'd love to hear some slightly more concrete examples.
How easily could another company replicate this process if they knew all the key details? It was my understanding that access to photolithography machines was one of the major obstacles in replicating chip manufacturing processes.
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Or for analogy, following a recipe doesn't make you a good cook.
But it also depends on how precise the recipe is - if it's described down to the exact movements the cook needs to do, which may be replicated via a machine...
No recipe accounts for ambient temperature/humidity, very few for altitude differences, etc. etc. It still takes knowledgable tweaks to get just right.
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I frequently wonder what steps SpaceX security has to take, given the insane geopolitical significance of reusable rockets and cheap access to orbit.
I would say the main element of their success is not really in any specific close kept secrets - its in actually committing to reusable rockets and keep working until they had a working system. While there are some really nice components and clever ideas (Merlin/Raptor engines & very good guidance tech) this all really has been doable for decades in less efficient form. But so far no one other than Space X has been a…
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