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I asked four former friends why we stopped speaking (2023)

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Re: I asked four former friends why we stopped speaking (2023)

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Elderly people, particularly but not only men, suffer social isolation and loneliness. It is a social problem across the developed world.

That's because people tend not to make new friends in middle age. That trend begins in the mid 20s.

No matter your age, learn the trick of making, and keeping, new friends. Of all ages, sexes, cultures, types. It is extremely vital to your mental and physical health.

Re: I asked four former friends why we stopped speaking (2023)

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Maybe it's a cultural thing as well. Boasting about yourself is really not something you do in many cultures. I don't really see a problem with that passage. They were just trying to praise whoever they were talking to while being quiet about themselves.

It could be cultural. I'm overthinking it. I did like the piece overall.

Thinking about it a little more, those high-octane funny kids sound insufferable. This may actually just be Celine's way of telling the author she finds her annoying.

Re: I asked four former friends why we stopped speaking (2023)

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> "But eventually, we broke away—you, to join the funny kids, a group of hilarious and friendly people who could match your unparalleled wit and high-octane energy... That is not how people actually talk in real life. > ...and me, to join the kids at the back of the bus, literally and figuratively. People really do not make other people the main character like this. "My crew were shy introverts who were hilarious onc…

Some people do talk like that. For example, the well-read humanities major analogue of "10x techbro" can effortlessly whip out a more sophisticated analysis or assessment, with better prose. And some of those will say things like that with one or more levels on top. Such as if they know the person they're talking with will get the reference or archetype, or the allusion they're making, and they're really saying somet…

> the well-read humanities major analogue of "10x techbro" can effortlessly whip out a more sophisticated analysis or assessment, with better prose.

Such a person certainly can do so, but also really ought to know better.

Re: I asked four former friends why we stopped speaking (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diverging values I think is why it’s not a bad thing that marriage is being postponed closer to 30 now. Promising to be with someone forever when you don’t even know who you or they are yet is wishful thinking at best and lying at worst. If we ever find a way to delay puberty without delaying formation of the prefrontal cortex, I think humanity will be in for a better time. You’ll get a few more years of being able t…

Do people who get married and have children diverge in values at the same rate as unmarried people who live together? Or do they tend to converge rather and align their attitudes to the common interests of the family? "Who you are" is not a stable thing, nor is it a mystery suddenly revealed at a certain advanced age: it is something you continuously construct and reconstruct all your life. I suspect that marriage an…

If the issue is immaturity I suspect they can diverge faster. Some people grown up when they have kids. Others don’t, and that becomes a frequent source of argument.

Others collapse their lives entirely, which can be shocking for the person who saw something in you that you’ve now abandoned.

Re: I asked four former friends why we stopped speaking (2023)

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It's okay to lose touch with former friends (that is, to not feel guilty). This is part of life and I'm always convinced that my friends, whom I lost contact with, will understand as well. Plus, although we were friends at one point due to common interests, shared environment, etc., we grow up and apart. If chances collide, we will cross paths with some of them. During my thirties, I felt a bit guilty about not keepi…

Friendship requires proximity. Very hard to maintain a friendship or any relationship with physical distance or even just mostly disjoint social circles. Nothing to feel guilty about, it's how we work.

Re: I asked four former friends why we stopped speaking (2023)

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> Matt said a lot of wonderful things about me and our friendship during our conversation, but one thing meant the most. “In my mid 20s, I was really selfish,” he said. “But I’m currently at a point where I don’t really care about things for myself. Now that I’m almost 30, my loved ones and my friendship are all that really matter.” Not to discount anyone else's story, but Matt's is probably the most prevalent. It's…

In the US, I think we should consider that many people go through four socially traumatic transitions: 1. Moving away to college. 2. Moving for work. 3. Getting married. 4. Having kids. Each of those tends to sever many friendships in ways that are more painful than a lot of us realize or acknowledge. We might even consider what it says about us as a people that we seem to value all of the points on that list more th…

5) Divorce

6) Rebuilding post divorce.

7) Lack of opportunities due to age.

Re: I asked four former friends why we stopped speaking (2023)

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Life Transitions 4 Lack of mutual effort 4 Diverging values 3 Miscommunication 2.5 Geographic distance 2.5 Emotional disengagement 2 (Since article is lacking a conclusion - or the conclusion is a weird direction, "should I talk to my ex" - I guess I'm not the target demo)

Diverging values I think is why it’s not a bad thing that marriage is being postponed closer to 30 now. Promising to be with someone forever when you don’t even know who you or they are yet is wishful thinking at best and lying at worst. If we ever find a way to delay puberty without delaying formation of the prefrontal cortex, I think humanity will be in for a better time. You’ll get a few more years of being able t…

The other way is that you make a commitment early and that you mold your personalities together as you grow older. Delaying marriage to “find yourself” is not always a good thing; I forget the exact term used in a very thoughtful essay on this, but it’s something like “my grandmother’s bookshelf”. By the time you’re in your mid-thirties, grandma’s bookshelf that you inherited is so important that anyone who doesn’t love it must not love you. In reality, grandma’s bookshelf is important - but so is building a life with another person, and you can’t let it keep you from that.

It’s not perfect, but nothing is. Life happens whether or not you’re paying attention.

Re: I asked four former friends why we stopped speaking (2023)

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One thing about the author, is that she's a traveler (not a Gypsy, but someone that has traveled a lot; even as a kid).

So am I. I spent the majority of my early childhood, bouncing around a number of nations.

It has given me the "ability" to drop even very intimate relationships at the drop of a hat. I've heard that this is a characteristic of "military brats."

I will not have talked to someone for a decade, then, when I see them again, I assume that we can just pick up where we left, and they are like "Who the hell are you? No way!".

I've learned to correct for this. It means that I need to make the effort to stay in touch, but I have also learned that some folks aren't interested in reciprocating, so I have learned to let those go.

Re: I asked four former friends why we stopped speaking (2023)

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>Though I’m Kenyan by ethnicity, I grew up abroad, in the US and UK, and I’ve found that my foreign accent and perspective other me, even within my family. I had to read this sentence four times before I even considered that 'other' could be a verb!

It's not, at least not in any dictionary I've consulted. Though in context it works, I guess.

Re: I asked four former friends why we stopped speaking (2023)

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> "But eventually, we broke away—you, to join the funny kids, a group of hilarious and friendly people who could match your unparalleled wit and high-octane energy... That is not how people actually talk in real life. > ...and me, to join the kids at the back of the bus, literally and figuratively. People really do not make other people the main character like this. "My crew were shy introverts who were hilarious onc…

It was over Facebook. Some people do /write/ that way.
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