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Job-seekers are dodging AI interviewers

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Post by bobro »

> It does 100 interviews, and it’s going to hand back the best 10 to the hiring manager, and then the human takes over,” he says.

Yikes. One thing that's incredibly important about reaching the interview-stage of a job application has been that there is a parity, or even an imbalance favoring the candidate, in human time usage. The company's people (often multiple people at once) have to spend time with the candidate to conduct the interview, so there are stakes for scheduling an interview. The company is investing something into that interaction, so you as a candidate can have some faith that your time is being valued. In the very least, your 45 minute interview is valued at 45*n minutes of company labor for each interviewer.

Admitting right off the bat that you're going to waste the time of 90% of your applicants without these stakes is just wildly disrespectful.

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Post by kergonath »

computerdork wrote: post #295
kergonath wrote: post #238

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> Please give me an example of what happens. It’s easy to forget after 80 years of stable western democracies, but brutal equilibrium shifts do happen. There was a revolution every ~20 years in Europe between 1789 and 1917. And even during the 20th century, the history of much of the world is full of coups, revolts, and uprisings. See all the revolutions in ex-soviet republics, the Arab spring, etc. So you can pick a…

And (even though I don't support him in any way), would say the election of Trump is in part due to the constant wins of the white collar work force. Most of the examples you gave of revolutions led to greater democracy and greater socialism, which benefits the blue collar, but ironically, in this case, the blue collar elected a autocratic conservative. Again, am not a Trump supporter in anyway, but agree that when t…

> And (even though I don't support him in any way), would say the election of Trump is in part due to the constant wins of the white collar work force.

Definitely. He tapped the anger and resentment of an underclass. The shame is that this underclass does not really see how he is harming them and how his politics benefit their old ennemies, the economic elite that’s turning into oligarchs.

> Most of the examples you gave of revolutions led to greater democracy and greater socialism, which benefits the blue collar, but ironically, in this case, the blue collar elected a autocratic conservative.

True. But examples of this also abound pre- or during WWII, from all the fascist regimes in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Germany, and copycats such as Vichy.

Upheaval and chaos can lead to either progress or ruin.

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Post by miroljub »

throwawayoldie wrote: post #205
simpaticoder wrote: post #189

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There is an ongoing tension between the idea that our behavior is shaped by the systems around us and the belief that it stems solely from our personal choices. The truth is, it’s never one or the other exclusively - both factors play a role. Nobody says you have to eat processed food, but when 90% of the food available to you (and 100% of the inexpensive food) is processed, it's misleading to argue that eating proce…

There's a third possibility: collective action. It's easy to forget this, because the powers that be have been working hard for many decades to denigrate it.

Collective action needs to come from somewhere. In a nation of destroyed extended family, primary family, racial or national identity, with no religion, workers unions, or any other sense of community, where everyone is a snowflake individual, it's pretty impossible that a group of people will ever form a collective capable of doing any actions.

Now, think about it why we were conditioned from the ground up to forefeit any connections with other people and basically bared of forming high trust communities.

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Post by erikerikson »

Aurornis wrote: post #282
erikerikson wrote: post #221

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And yet, I can't recall receiving a counter submission of feedback and summary of the review for the work I've submitted, whether I got the job or not.

I gave feedback like this when I first started doing interviews I had to stop very quickly when I realized how many candidates take it as an invitation to argue, accuse me of being wrong, or see it as an invite to redo the problem and resubmit. I also had one case where someone tried to go on a rampage against me and the company because they though our rejection was unfair (the candidate wasn’t even top 5 among the a…

Thank you, I appreciate that you made the effort. Many companies won't allow it due to legal risk, not to mention the social risks you report and related.

Our solving and counter-solving leads us into fairly dysfunctional places.

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Post by throwawayoldie »

newswasboring wrote: post #239
throwawayoldie wrote: post #214

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Some very close haircuts.

When was the last instance of this in the last 100 years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia#Derg_era_(1974%E2%80%... comes to mind.

So, even if you weren't factually incorrect as well as smug, what's your actual point?

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Post by ryandrake »

Aurornis wrote: post #278
colechristensen wrote: post #117

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My rule for interviews is the company has to spend equal human time or I decline. This means no 8 hour tests, no talking to computers, no special little projects for me to evaluate me. You get equal face time and no more than 45 minutes of me doing anything by myself (that's the max leeway). If you want me to do anything else either I'm getting paid short term contractor rates or making you make a sizable donation to…

In my experience, candidates who demand equivalent face time always underestimate how much time is spent selecting candidates, reviewing resumes, scheduling interviews, preparing the interview structure, reviewing interviews, advocating for candidates to progress, getting their offers approved, dealing with HR, and the countless other things that go into getting someone from the application phase to being hired. If y…

The candidate also has their share of non-face time: Grinding leetcode and filling out HTML forms that are asking for the same information contained on their resume.

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Post by JohnCClarke »

I tried one these to see how good it was, and whether I could use it for hiring. And it was the best recruiter interview I've ever had.

I know, that says a lots about recruiters.

It definitely feels odd talking to a machine. On the positive side it was clear, patient, and will evaluate everyone equally.

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Post by JohnCClarke »

ethbr1 wrote: post #138
dorian-graph wrote: post #133

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> Let’s face it: the candidates who want to work at Coinbase are as enthusiastic about AI as we are. They, like us, are optimistic about the future of this (and all) technology. Yet Anthropic didn't want people to use AI as part of interviewing for them.

This is the answer -- AI interviewers should only get AI agents of candidates.

Indeed. Pretty soon all jobs will be filled by bots.

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Post by colechristensen »

Aurornis wrote: post #278
colechristensen wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My rule for interviews is the company has to spend equal human time or I decline. This means no 8 hour tests, no talking to computers, no special little projects for me to evaluate me. You get equal face time and no more than 45 minutes of me doing anything by myself (that's the max leeway). If you want me to do anything else either I'm getting paid short term contractor rates or making you make a sizable donation to…

In my experience, candidates who demand equivalent face time always underestimate how much time is spent selecting candidates, reviewing resumes, scheduling interviews, preparing the interview structure, reviewing interviews, advocating for candidates to progress, getting their offers approved, dealing with HR, and the countless other things that go into getting someone from the application phase to being hired. If y…

I have been the hiring manager several times, I know full well the amount of time it takes, and the overhead from "selecting candidates, reviewing resumes, scheduling interviews, preparing the interview structure, reviewing interviews, advocating for candidates to progress, getting their offers approved, dealing with HR, and the countless other things" as a hiring manager is not that much time, and that's your business not the candidate's.

I respect the candidates I put through the process and consider large amounts of time required for each candidate to be discriminatory and disrespectful.

>Though to be honest, whenever a candidate vocally removes themselves from the candidate pipeline for something like this (which is very rare) it feels like we dodged a bullet.

If you want an underfoot character with no respect for their own worth then yes... you both dodged bullets.

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Post by HaZeust »

throwawayoldie wrote: post #165
siva7 wrote: post #114

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Somehow i would rather stay homeless or prostitute myself than throwing my dignity away by letting an a.i. assess me over the whole job interview. Yet this is where we are heading. Being graded by openai (and co). Iris scanned by openai. Who knows what comes next..

It's where we're headed _if we let these assholes get away with it_. They have the money and guns, but we have the numbers.

Don't ever let anyone brainwash you into thinking we don't have the money and guns either.
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