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Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by bayindirh »

MOARDONGZPLZ wrote: post #29
dmix wrote: post #25

> Following massive contract terminations for consulting giants and government contractors like Accenture, Booz Allen, and Deloitte, Palantir has emerged ahead. Just swapping different big consulting firms around. I remember when Booz Allen was the bad guy. I just checked and apparently this is what they call themselves these days "an American company specializing in digital transformation and artificial intelligence…

BAH was the “bad guy” in the sense that they were grifters competent at only winning contracts and then extending them indefinitely through incompetent delivery to suck as much money out of the government as possible at the expense of having good systems and taxpayer money. Palantir is good at delivering what they promise.

> Palantir is good at delivering what they promise.

What's their promise?

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Post by RajT88 »

tylerchilds wrote: post #12
ants_everywhere wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palantir is unique in that one of its founders has publicly stated he doesn't believe in democracy, the bedrock of the American system.

definition of treason? definition of treason.

Thank you for demonstrating you have not looked up the definition of Treason in the US legal system.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII-S3-C1-...

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Post by rzerowan »

QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #20
newsclues wrote: post #8

If government doesn’t want to be replaced by corporations, then government has to not suck so hard.

Rule of thumb: If a corporation mostly sells to consumers or other corporations, the government can save a lot of money and get a great result by buying from it at consumer prices. If a corporation mostly sells to the government, the government can steal every last taxpayer penny while delivering shit by buying from the corporation at government prices. See for example (and yes I’d get cancelled for pointing this out…

Also there is the result that from IP to service and support the Gov will get washed.Leading to a lack of expertise and ownership. It essentially becomes little more than a rental - not owned, serviced or extended unless at the whims of the lowest bidder .Who inevitable qccrues cost overruns.In the space examplein the 70-80s a gov department was arguable more competent/effecient and on spec within its given budget.Not so much now.

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Post by rayiner »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #11
Molitor5901 wrote: post #10

I get the concern bout Palantir but this is not new: Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, Google, AWS, have all been extending their reach into government for over a decade. Palantir is the boogey man right now, and it's under a lot of scrutiny because of its work and its political ties, but let's try turning some of the ire to all of the other tech companies empowering the government against people. The others shouldn't get a pa…

Palantir is unique in that one of its founders has publicly stated he doesn't believe in democracy, the bedrock of the American system.

Hostility to democracy is literally the bedrock of the 20th century american federal government. We live in the nation Woodrow Wilson created: https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/the-study-of-ad...

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Post by TrackerFF »

We received a presentation/demo of their products when I worked in the gov (not the US gov. though) a couple of years ago.

They seemed, okay? I mean nothing seemed mind-blowing. I worked on surveillance in a specific sector, where interagency collaboration is important. Hence why Palantir pitched their tools.

I'm not sure how they've managed to blow up like that. Do they have some extensive network with gov. officials, in the same way top management consulting firms operate?

EDIT: Basically their pitch was that if agency A and B (and C, D, etc.) connected their data sources to the tool (I think it was Gotham), then identifying and catching threat actors would be much easier, and that their software would streamline this.

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Post by grafmax »

XorNot wrote: post #40
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the meme. It's not going to happen IRL because it doesn't look like China is rising to the bait, because Russia is still advancing in Ukraine, because American industrial production capacity is by every estimation not equal to the task, and because the Middle East is as bad a mess as it has ever been and is sucking all of the oxygen out of the room. When your Navy literally can't defeat the Houthis, you know f…

This is like saying the American military couldn't defeat the Iraqis. The American military could not successfully build a stable Iraqi democracy or completely suppress sectarian violence. They absolutely destroyed the Iraqi conventional military and occupied the country for 8 years though.

Not only is China a peer with vast resources and numbers of people, it is also a nuclear power. A full scale conflict would be disastrous for us all.

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Post by the_sleaze_ »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #30
untrust wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why 2027?

That's the meme. It's not going to happen IRL because it doesn't look like China is rising to the bait, because Russia is still advancing in Ukraine, because American industrial production capacity is by every estimation not equal to the task, and because the Middle East is as bad a mess as it has ever been and is sucking all of the oxygen out of the room. When your Navy literally can't defeat the Houthis, you know f…

This is fundamentally wrong on many levels, including what a War is and why they happen.

You actually need a balance of power to prevent an armed political conflict, so the adults in the room will maintain one.

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Post by rayiner »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #18
giancarlostoro wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its really easy to read this and be scared without being given any context, not everyone in the room knows who you are referring to and if your reading of their remarks are accurate. You got a name and a raw source?

Peter Thiel. He says "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." The beginning of the essay > I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years: to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. For all these reasons, I still call myself “liberta…

He's expressing more or less the same sentiment as the American founders themselves expressed.

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Post by jxf »

TrackerFF wrote: post #45

We received a presentation/demo of their products when I worked in the gov (not the US gov. though) a couple of years ago. They seemed, okay? I mean nothing seemed mind-blowing. I worked on surveillance in a specific sector, where interagency collaboration is important. Hence why Palantir pitched their tools. I'm not sure how they've managed to blow up like that. Do they have some extensive network with gov. official…

> Do they have some extensive network with gov. officials, in the same way top management consulting firms operate?

It's a little bit of being good at sales but it's also very much that the integrations with their tools and platforms are synergistic to a large degree.

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Post by gyanchawdhary »

estearum wrote: post #33
giancarlostoro wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its really easy to read this and be scared without being given any context, not everyone in the room knows who you are referring to and if your reading of their remarks are accurate. You got a name and a raw source?

That's on the tame end of Peter Thiel's rather demented belief system. Another tidbit: he believes Greta Thunberg is very possibly the actual antichrist. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ao_umPlSV6o

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