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Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by bpt3 »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #18
giancarlostoro wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its really easy to read this and be scared without being given any context, not everyone in the room knows who you are referring to and if your reading of their remarks are accurate. You got a name and a raw source?

Peter Thiel. He says "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." The beginning of the essay > I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years: to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. For all these reasons, I still call myself “liberta…

These sound like the exact reasons we don't have a direct democracy.

“A democracy will continue to exist up until the time voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.” - not Peter Thiel

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by ants_everywhere »

rPlayer6554 wrote: post #16
ants_everywhere wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palantir is unique in that one of its founders has publicly stated he doesn't believe in democracy, the bedrock of the American system.

Source?

I posted it in another comment

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by estearum »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #14
ants_everywhere wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palantir is unique in that one of its founders has publicly stated he doesn't believe in democracy, the bedrock of the American system.

Its really easy to read this and be scared without being given any context, not everyone in the room knows who you are referring to and if your reading of their remarks are accurate. You got a name and a raw source?

That's on the tame end of Peter Thiel's rather demented belief system.

Another tidbit: he believes Greta Thunberg is very possibly the actual antichrist.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ao_umPlSV6o

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by hnhg »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #14
ants_everywhere wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palantir is unique in that one of its founders has publicly stated he doesn't believe in democracy, the bedrock of the American system.

Its really easy to read this and be scared without being given any context, not everyone in the room knows who you are referring to and if your reading of their remarks are accurate. You got a name and a raw source?

You can also sign up to Curtis Yarvin's Substack and read the kind of thinking that Thiel likes to surround himself with: https://graymirror.substack.com/

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by agent_turtle »

Molitor5901 wrote: post #10

I get the concern bout Palantir but this is not new: Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, Google, AWS, have all been extending their reach into government for over a decade. Palantir is the boogey man right now, and it's under a lot of scrutiny because of its work and its political ties, but let's try turning some of the ire to all of the other tech companies empowering the government against people. The others shouldn't get a pa…

"Yeah the house may be on fire but we can't even begin to put it out until we make sure every other house in the city is not also on fire."

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by [deleted] »

bpt3 wrote: post #31
ants_everywhere wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peter Thiel. He says "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." The beginning of the essay > I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years: to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. For all these reasons, I still call myself “liberta…

These sound like the exact reasons we don't have a direct democracy. “A democracy will continue to exist up until the time voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.” - not Peter Thiel

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Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by _Algernon_ »

bpt3 wrote: post #31
ants_everywhere wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peter Thiel. He says "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." The beginning of the essay > I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years: to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. For all these reasons, I still call myself “liberta…

These sound like the exact reasons we don't have a direct democracy. “A democracy will continue to exist up until the time voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.” - not Peter Thiel

That's exactly how it works already, albeit through the middlemen representatives figuring out what block of voters is cheapest to buy. The only meaningful difference in a representative democracy is that the representatives can choose not to deliver on their promises (in other words: lie), thereby consolidating real power in a smaller group of people.

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by sofixa »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #24
yosito wrote: post #17

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To be fair, I'm not sure there are very many people who believe in US democracy right now.

I don't believe this is true. The idea that the US should be non-democratic is very fringe. It's frequently expressed online, but a lot of that is not from human Americans. If you know of a high quality poll showing a majority of people support turning the US into a non-Democratic form of government I'd be very interested to see it and I would be legitimately surprised. The polls I see have at least 70-80% endorsemen…

> The idea that the US should be non-democratic is very fringe

The theoretical idea, maybe.

In practice, one party dismantling democratic institutions and checks and balances, or stacking the courts, or accepting bribes in public, or drawing districts in a way to benefit them are normal, accepted practices that a lot of Americans (especially on one side of the two party system) accept and actively cheer on, because it's their side that is "winning".

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by dpoloncsak »

Alifatisk wrote: post #15
baal80spam wrote: post #5

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Time to buy?

Their stock has tripled since november, they are way to overvalued. Either way I would not put my money on their stock, I do not want to support such company. Vote with your wallet.

Speak for yourself....Writing was on the wall the minute I saw where the funding for Palantir was coming from. Been in since $12 a share, holding tight until they take over.

Praying the Pala-net will look favorably on share holders in a psuedo Roko's basilisk sort of situation.

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by XorNot »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #30
untrust wrote: post #27

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Why 2027?

That's the meme. It's not going to happen IRL because it doesn't look like China is rising to the bait, because Russia is still advancing in Ukraine, because American industrial production capacity is by every estimation not equal to the task, and because the Middle East is as bad a mess as it has ever been and is sucking all of the oxygen out of the room. When your Navy literally can't defeat the Houthis, you know f…

This is like saying the American military couldn't defeat the Iraqis.

The American military could not successfully build a stable Iraqi democracy or completely suppress sectarian violence.

They absolutely destroyed the Iraqi conventional military and occupied the country for 8 years though.

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