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It works for me, said every Linux zelot ever. NVidia acceleration is horrid. The only thing that worked was directx on zorin. AMD? Only a few machines, even fewer models. What all the zelots we're running is built in Intel. "It works for me." Followed by bins by the truck full of unsupported hardware. ThinkPads? Perfect every time? Dell? Have you configured you bios lately? Unsupported AMD? Grab your crayons on a rac…
> ThinkPads? Perfect every time? Dell? System76, Purism, Taxedo, Pine64.
Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC
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> I have a feeling the last time you looked at it was 2013. I literally looked at it last week. Spent multiple days on it. Tried Mint and Zorin (full install, not just live). This is on a brand new Lenovo p16s Gen 4 with AMD (no nvidia). That laptop didn't even exist before this year. List of problems I encountered: -- Multi touch not working (fixed by switching from Mint to Zorin, upgrading mainline kernel in Mint d…
> That laptop didn't even exist before this year. Here's your problem. The hardware wasn't designed to run Linux and you gave Linux no time to fix the related problems. Try older hardware or wait.
Do I like it after all this effort?
No.
But sure, I'll wait. I've waited for Linux to become truly user friendy for 3 decades and I really really want to love it, so I'll wait some more. No problem.
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For Linux to gain 5% marketshare, I really doubt it "barely works" on a "limited set of hardware that it was designed for". It can run headless on basically anything better than a Pentium, and it mostly just works on average hardware (except fingerprint sensors and Nvidia). I've had no problem with Linux on all my hardware, and I have a feeling the last time you looked at it was 2013.
Linux didn’t work reliably on my laptops in the past 10 years. And I mean basic things, like booting up, or showing a desktop without serious glitches. And all the time problems were non deterministic, and printing just generic unhelpful “something is wrong” errors, if there were any. I try it every year, whether the situation is better, and in the past 25 years, the answer is that barely. Yes, you can have terminal…
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#204It's interesting that in the early 2010s, both halves of the ecosystem were talking about "convergence:" Ubuntu wanted to make its Linux render a single column on a handset and with floating windows on a larger screen. Motorola had a similar project based on Android. A dozen years later, nobody has done that well. Ubuntu gave up. Mobile-targeted Linux distributions aren't good (missing functionality, mobile UX, or bo…
I do think for enterprise and business it should work though. Especially we are all on mobile already and most of the time we need to work on something that is on our phone. I wonder if there could be another blackberry moment on this? Or Something Microsoft Windows could work on, as a way to get back into Mobile. I have long argued they should have spend small R&D on possible Mobile OS just in case opportunities pops up.
Bring back Pocket PC. Tie it up with Azure and CoPilot.
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#205I think Apple would actually be in a position capable of doing this. Slap an M1-4 into an iPhone Case with MacOS. Normally you have an interface like iOS, which shouldn't be hard because iOS is based on MacOS, and when you connect it to a monitor you have normal MacOS. Normal iOS applications need to run on MacOS which I think they already could. You would just have to allow apps to transform the interface between de…
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Popularity =/= quality. That being said, obviously the Librem phone is missing functionality. Most computer users are goo goo ga ga level users. Most people in the US use iMessage, for example. It's not the best messenger, not even close. It's not the most ubiquitous either - doesn't even break top 5 globally. Doesn't have the most features. Not the fastest. Not the most secure. Not the easiest to use. They just use…
You picked the exact worst example to illustrate your point. People do not pick their messaging service, it is driven by adoption of everybody else. That's why you're downvoted.
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1. You didn't name the laptops just like the OP. 2. It seems you're using hardware designed for Windows. It's like trying to install Windows on a Macbook: You're on your own here. Don't blame Microsoft or Apple for your issues.
You know, reading through your replies in this thread is kind of just sad. You selectively pick only tiny parts of comments to reply to, while ignoring the points that are made and the plethora of very, very common issues highlighted. Sadly, it's also a very expected answer from someone who probably likes Linux a lot. No matter what argument is made, no matter what examples or proof are included, irregardless of the…
> You selectively pick only tiny parts of comments to reply to
Yes, I nitpick on some smaller things when I know the poster is wrong on that matter (and I feel it's sufficiently important).
> while ignoring the points that are made and the plethora of very, very common issues highlighted
It doesn't mean I think there are no issues at all. Often I just don't have anything to add to them. Do I always have to say "it's true" to everything else? I never said "and therefore you're wrong about everything".
> Linux only _properly_ supports a small subset of devices for _desktop computing
This is true. However what you conclude from this may differ. It doesn't mean that Linux is a lost case and everybody should use Windows. It doesn't mean that companies can't switch to Linux. Very often they choose the hardware for the next upgrade and nothing prevents them from choosing a known supported hardware, however rare it could be.
Also, in every Linux thread there is always a large number of people with vague, unhelpful Linux bashing like "I'm trying Linux every other week and there are countless issues every single time". This is not actionable, it doesn't help anybody to choose the hardware. It's just a shallow dismissal, which is against the HN guidelines. I don't understand who upvotes that.
> Is the proper response to say, to effect, you're the one at fault by not using the right hardware?
This is not exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying that you should manage your expectations when using random hardware with a free OS. Not only the Linux developers weren't paid to support every hardware in world -- in many cases, the hardware vendors actively fight against this. Statistically, it must be a really large number of devices reliably working. How else could Linux reach >5% without anything sold in stores?
> either Linux doesn't actually properly support a lot of different hardware
Yes, this is the case.
> Even worse is this, honestly, moronic take
I stand by what I said. You can't demand any OS to work on every piece of hardware in the world; not even mega-corps can achieve that. You have to keep in mind the reality, otherwise this is a Nirvana fallacy. I would understand if someone said "I'm unlucky, Linux doesn't work on my hardware". Instead, they say "Linux barely works on a limited set of hardware that it was designed for" or "Linux on the desktop failed and will never succeed" (actual quotes from this discussion).
> The primary subject of _desktop_ users _are_ Windows users with Windows machines.
This is very true, and it's a sad state of affairs that for Linux to grow it has an impossible task of supporting all those different Windows machines. I recommend every Windows user to try installing Linux. At the same time, I do not guarantee that it will work, but there is a good chance. You will likely loose some features like suspend, but your machine will be faster, more secure, private and supported for the lifetime if you're lucky. Also you should be able to pay somebody to fix your problems, which will fix them for every other user. This is not true for proprietary software btw.
> It's honestly just so weird to argue that installing Linux on a Windows machine is in any way shape or form as bad as installing it on a Mac.
This is not what I said. I said that you're misplacing the responsibility here. The user should accept their responsibility for buying a "Windows-certified" hardware and not blame their problems on volunteers. They should thank the volunteer when it works and understand the reasons when it doesn't (and consider helping to fix the issues, too).
> And even then, the Steam Deck blows them out of the water
What are you talking about? Most users buy it as a separate device to play games, just like a console. It does help Linux to grow, but the comparison to Linux-first general-purpose devices doesn't seem relevant here.
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> I also have an external USB/HDMI screen that is lighter than a laptop How much lighter is it than say a Surface Go that can run Windows or Linux? If they are about the same then it doesn't make sense to fiddle with Linux on a phone. Comes with a keyboard too.
I see that this thread became a "throw random edge cases and diverge the discussion". How does Surface Go states against other commenters comment that suddenly brought poverty into the mix? :) how does Surface Go address poor people, because it's not cheap where I live. It's a discussion that doesn't make sense.
> It's a discussion that doesn't make sense.
That's on you for lack of context.