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Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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For Linux to gain 5% marketshare, I really doubt it "barely works" on a "limited set of hardware that it was designed for". It can run headless on basically anything better than a Pentium, and it mostly just works on average hardware (except fingerprint sensors and Nvidia). I've had no problem with Linux on all my hardware, and I have a feeling the last time you looked at it was 2013.

> I have a feeling the last time you looked at it was 2013. I literally looked at it last week. Spent multiple days on it. Tried Mint and Zorin (full install, not just live). This is on a brand new Lenovo p16s Gen 4 with AMD (no nvidia). That laptop didn't even exist before this year. List of problems I encountered: -- Multi touch not working (fixed by switching from Mint to Zorin, upgrading mainline kernel in Mint d…

> That laptop didn't even exist before this year.

Here's your problem. The hardware wasn't designed to run Linux and you gave Linux no time to fix the related problems. Try older hardware or wait.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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> I have a feeling the last time you looked at it was 2013. I literally looked at it last week. Spent multiple days on it. Tried Mint and Zorin (full install, not just live). This is on a brand new Lenovo p16s Gen 4 with AMD (no nvidia). That laptop didn't even exist before this year. List of problems I encountered: -- Multi touch not working (fixed by switching from Mint to Zorin, upgrading mainline kernel in Mint d…

> That laptop didn't even exist before this year. Here's your problem. The hardware wasn't designed to run Linux and you gave Linux no time to fix the related problems. Try older hardware or wait.

It works for me, said every Linux zelot ever. NVidia acceleration is horrid. The only thing that worked was directx on zorin. AMD? Only a few machines, even fewer models. What all the zelots we're running is built in Intel. "It works for me." Followed by bins by the truck full of unsupported hardware.

ThinkPads? Perfect every time? Dell? Have you configured you bios lately? Unsupported AMD? Grab your crayons on a race the old hardware will loose.

Linux has had 10 years to run on 10 year old hardware. Linux is not an OS. It's an attitude, and it's not a reflection on the technology, it's a reflection on the lowest common denominator.

Windows 10? I still have another 14 months left, and mass*.dev to thank.

Hardware that was built to run Linux? Drivers? If you have an AMD card and any interest in Linux, pull the card and prepare to trash the entire system, like the HP sitting on the sidewalk last night. Bye.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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I have different opinions. Try my NUC. Reinstall Windows 10 on it; you won't get audio support unless you get especial audio drivers from a shady download URL (usually used from pirating services) linked from the OEM vendors. Windows Update won't help. Neither SDI Tool Origin. GNU/Linux works, HDMI output et all.

Unless I’m mistaken windows 10 is end of life in 3 months so this shouldn’t be surprising ?

Nope. Win 10 is now a free year of support. All the way to Oct 2026. Thanks for pointing out mistakenly your mistaken. And is it surprising than hardware shills are pointing not pointing this out? You want Linux get a Thinkpad, and a mouse, and plan on replugging every time you wake. "It just works." Well guess what?

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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> That laptop didn't even exist before this year. Here's your problem. The hardware wasn't designed to run Linux and you gave Linux no time to fix the related problems. Try older hardware or wait.

It works for me, said every Linux zelot ever. NVidia acceleration is horrid. The only thing that worked was directx on zorin. AMD? Only a few machines, even fewer models. What all the zelots we're running is built in Intel. "It works for me." Followed by bins by the truck full of unsupported hardware. ThinkPads? Perfect every time? Dell? Have you configured you bios lately? Unsupported AMD? Grab your crayons on a rac…

> ThinkPads? Perfect every time? Dell?

System76, Purism, Taxedo, Pine64.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Linux didn’t work reliably on my laptops in the past 10 years. And I mean basic things, like booting up, or showing a desktop without serious glitches. And all the time problems were non deterministic, and printing just generic unhelpful “something is wrong” errors, if there were any. I try it every year, whether the situation is better, and in the past 25 years, the answer is that barely. Yes, you can have terminal…

> Linux didn’t work reliably on my laptops in the past 10 years. And I mean basic things, like booting up, or showing a desktop Which laptops? Do they all have Nvidia graphics? This is really vague. Your comment is not helpful, and it just looks like usual Linux bashing from people who don't know what they're talking about.

And how it would be helpful for me to specify? Do you think that I just gave up immediately, and didn’t try to solve it for days and weeks? Do you think you can help me more than that without the exact errors which I got? Do you think I care about a solution to laptops which I don’t even have? Do you think any kind of blanket term like “NVIDIA whatever doesn’t work” would be even true?

I specified a few times, and I got zero relevant information. My time is more valuable than reading comments which are like “it worked for me with ”.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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I really wanted the Ubuntu phone to succeed. I backed the Indiegogo for their fancy phone, and when that failed I installed Ubuntu OS on a Nexus 5 to play with. I never activated any phone service on it but I think I would have enjoyed it if I had. It was kind of neat to have a smartphone that didn't hide the fact that it was a computer. Even without plugging it in to a monitor or anything, I was able to play with th…

I used to use Ubuntu Touch on my OnePlus One for quite a while and it was very nice! I had to switch away because it didn't really support group MMS (still doesn't from what I can tell), and then later US carriers started requiring VoLTE which it didn't support for a while either. But I still hope to switch back someday, that was the most enjoyable phone I'd used since the N900.

I haven't tried to use it full time for the same reason that I haven't tried to take the plunge to the dumb-phone world.

A part of me occasionally considers buying one of those cheap KaiOS dumbphones, because I figure that the stuff that's missing could be supplemented with my laptop. The problem I'm always afraid of is that I'm afraid that I'll be missing something. I'll start a job and they'll require some specific proprietary 2FA app, for example. Also, I don't think Signal has a dumb phone app yet and that's basically all I use to communicate.

Similarly, I haven't done anything but play with Ubuntu Touch, because I know there would be an app missing that I would need, so I'd be forced to have an Android or iPhone for those edge cases anyway.

Startup costs are enormous to break into the smartphone world now, at least if you want to penetrate into the "non-tech-enthusiast" market.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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IMO it comes down to marketing: can't have the kayfabe of selling something that is "not a computer"/"new kind of computer" and have it act like a "computer" too

Marketing played a role yes, but plenty of other phone operating systems failed that had much stronger marketing then Ubuntu ever would have.

Not a phone, but I really liked the Blackberry Playbook's QNX system. It was extremely smooth and easy to use, and was fairly easy to develop for.

They shit the bed by betting on Flash, which was a dying tech, but I was pretty sad when Blackberry just went to "another Android phone", since I thought what they had was pretty neat.

Blackberry definitely had much better marketing than Ubuntu has ever had, and for reasons probably too complicated for me to fully understand, they're sort of a joke now.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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FWIW I have Mint on two grandparents laptops and I agree with the parent comment. I gave up doing any updates on them, I just wipe off everything once a year and reinstall from scratch. Even though it's only browser and music player and nobody touches the settings (unless there was a misclick) yet still last time the desktop came to show through the application windows so I had to wipe it again and lo it worked.

1. You didn't name the laptops just like the OP. 2. It seems you're using hardware designed for Windows. It's like trying to install Windows on a Macbook: You're on your own here. Don't blame Microsoft or Apple for your issues.

You know, reading through your replies in this thread is kind of just sad. You selectively pick only tiny parts of comments to reply to, while ignoring the points that are made and the plethora of very, very common issues highlighted.

Sadly, it's also a very expected answer from someone who probably likes Linux a lot. No matter what argument is made, no matter what examples or proof are included, irregardless of the number of such things, it's all just user error in the end.

When the argument is that Linux only _properly_ supports a small subset of devices for _desktop computing,_ and the counter-argument is that it does, yet a person mentions very, very incredibly common issues . . . Is the proper response to say, to effect, you're the one at fault by not using the right hardware? No, no it's not. Given that so, so, _so_ many experience these kinds of basic UX problems means that either Linux doesn't actually properly support a lot of different hardware (despite what many obsessed Linux users screech/preach) or it supports them perfectly fine and the tons upon tons upon tons of people who experience these issues are all the ones at fault and in no way, shape or form does Linux lack from a well known general UX problem.

Even worse is this, honestly, moronic take:

> 2. It seems you're using hardware designed for Windows. It's like trying to install Windows on a Macbook: You're on your own here. Don't blame Microsoft or Apple for your issues.

If I wasn't before convinced that you aren't completely out of touch, I am now. The primary subject of _desktop_ users _are_ Windows users with Windows machines. Goodness gracious, I honestly do not understand this take. Most of Linux's not-always-optimal desktop hardware support comes from a plethora of formerly Windows machines.

It's honestly just so weird to argue that installing Linux on a Windows machine is in any way shape or form as bad as installing it on a Mac.

Even more, Linux-only devices, as in Linux-first devices, are more of a newer thing. There have been initiatives before, that have fallen through or not gained a lot of traction. It's not until relatively recently that companies making Linux-first devices for _desktop_ computing became a real thing. And even then, the Steam Deck blows them out of the water by mostly _removing_ the desktop-part of Linux and replacing it with a homebrewed one. Although you can still use a regular desktop "mode." And yet, even with such companies, Windows machines stand for a massive section of the Linux desktop computing userbase.

Ironically, this is exactly the kind of argument I'd expect from an obsessed and out of touch Linux user. Because it makes no sense, disregards the points other potential users make and doesn't even properly address them.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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It's interesting that in the early 2010s, both halves of the ecosystem were talking about "convergence:" Ubuntu wanted to make its Linux render a single column on a handset and with floating windows on a larger screen. Motorola had a similar project based on Android. A dozen years later, nobody has done that well. Ubuntu gave up. Mobile-targeted Linux distributions aren't good (missing functionality, mobile UX, or bo…

Nokia nailed this 2005 with Maemo actually but didn't have the grit to see it through. Understandable as the risk of going all in on would have been a hard sell to the board vs a slow cosy death they couldn't see coming.

Grit is one possible interpretation. A bad c-suite culture is another. Same as with Kodak.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Popularity =/= quality. That being said, obviously the Librem phone is missing functionality. Most computer users are goo goo ga ga level users. Most people in the US use iMessage, for example. It's not the best messenger, not even close. It's not the most ubiquitous either - doesn't even break top 5 globally. Doesn't have the most features. Not the fastest. Not the most secure. Not the easiest to use. They just use…

There are a lot of people who are not "goo goo ga ga" level users and really need a device. I've switched to UMPCs because the constant lies and intentional breakage from smartphone vendors drove me up the wall.

glad to see I'm not the only one, if you don't mind me asking, what OS did you settle on? I'm using mint w/ auto-cpufreq on a donki nanote next right now but it's not perfect.
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