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Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by neilv »

bondarchuk wrote: post #17
neilv wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This link is full of the usual self-promoting priorities of politicians, and the modern "influencers" who mimic them. 1. Redirects to someone's personal-name Web site. 2. The top heading on the page is their personal name and what seems to be personal logo. 3. Immediately below that logo the navbar entry for "ABOUT ME / CONTACT". 4. The last entry in the navbar is "GET INVOLVED", and the first entry of that menu is "…

In a representative democracy there is nothing nefarious about a representative presenting himself as a person who would stand for certain policies.

This is purporting to be an issue thing (see the link). But it can't help be a personal brand thing.

I'm using this as an example of a problem with modern activism. Everyone wants to do their videos of themselves posturing like influencers, and building their brand, and the issue looks like a vehicle.

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by jeltz »

exasperaited wrote: post #7
chuckadams wrote: post #5

I wonder how much support it would have if it was called "Speech Control" instead. Probably still a depressing percentage...

It has been given the name "Chat Control" by its detractors, no?

Yeah, it's real name is CSAR.

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by budududuroiu »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #13
budududuroiu wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some legislation good, some legislation bad.

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Because the design of a charging port doesn’t open up your population to more cybersec vulnerabilities?

The same bureaucratic elite in Bruxelles loved to blame Russian hacking for election mishaps (remember Romanian cancelled elections?), seems antithetical to that

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by supermatt »

rdm_blackhole wrote: post #26

Time to move to self hosted messaging platforms or go back to GPG encrypted messages. And politicians complain that democracy is losing it's appeal! What's the difference between what the EU wants to do and what is being done in autocracies like China and Russia? Snooping on all messages and conversations, even the Stasi did not have this much power!

It doesn't matter what you use. It is your device that will be doing the snooping - i.e. client-side scanning

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by rdm_blackhole »

supermatt wrote: post #34
rdm_blackhole wrote: post #26

Time to move to self hosted messaging platforms or go back to GPG encrypted messages. And politicians complain that democracy is losing it's appeal! What's the difference between what the EU wants to do and what is being done in autocracies like China and Russia? Snooping on all messages and conversations, even the Stasi did not have this much power!

It doesn't matter what you use. It is your device that will be doing the snooping - i.e. client-side scanning

The CSS in the proposal is implemented on an app level, like Whatsapp or Signal does the detection before sending the encrypted message, not at the OS level.

If you use an app that connects to your own xmpp server, there will be no snopping.

Same if you encrypt your message and post it in Whatsapp.

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by dh2022 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #25

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I am not familiar with the charging port debate, but enforcing apps to be open to other developers and prevent addiction and be accessible by people with disabilities are all good things.

However enforcing surveillance and CSAM scanning is not good.

EU can make good laws, and sometimes EU can make bad laws..,

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by OfficeChad »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #16
cjs_ac wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, we're not allowed to agree with some of the EU's ideas but disagree with others? You demand that we take every policy proposal from the EU as part of a single coherent political philosophy?

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Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by anaisbetts »

Havoc wrote: post #19

Entire world seems to be making a pivot to surveillance state :(

The entire world realized that now that the Internet has killed off all of the third places / IRL meetings, and social media killed off the decentralized Internet, it's quite easy to fully control the discourse around any topic, since only a few social media organizations effectively decide what everyone sees (even if you're independent, Social Media decides which ideas/content gets traffic).

Question is, how do we get ourselves out of this tar pit?

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