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The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Luckily obesity is getting more and more solveable tbh

I imagine that means people will face whatever the next problem is (heart disease, or dementia or etc...) but hopefully at a later age?

Yeah, although some of them are comorbid with obesity so they shouldn't get too much worse?

But cancer treatments probably get more common if you're living longer and your heart doesn't get you, etc

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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I am not surprised. Healthcare costs have been rising faster than inflation for several years. It's a difficult sell to increase budgets, so we have to resort to these "invisible" cost cutting measures to try and stay afloat.

It's the baby boom. If level of care stays the same then at some point one third of the labour force is projected to have to work in healthcare, it's not possible.

It IS possible,

just unlikely the industry will be able to command more interest than the sugar-mill → grave pathway that's been established.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Much of the west is getting older and getting sicker. How unsurprising. What even is the solution? Expand the already massive healthcare sector further? Where does the money for that come from?

I have thought that we should make entering the medical professions much easier. In order to become a nurse, you usually need a 4 year degree. This has two issues: 1. This is way to much time in the classroom. Much of that coursework simply isn't necessary. 2. You have people that would be good nurses piking other programs because they can't get passing marks in classes that are irrelevant to day to day nursing. Bind…

In the US, we have two tiers of nurse below the 4 year degree and one tier above, and we still have a major nursing shortage.

You can get training to be a certified nursing assistant in just a few weeks here.

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Solution: preventive health care, promoting a healthy lifestyle from an early age, and healthy eating

This is good to do for its own sake, but on a large scale it does not decrease health care costs: it makes people live longer, but they will still ultimately need the kind of end-of-life care where the majority of health care costs come from. Those costs don't go down for healthier people, and it might even increase health care spending on net if it takes people longer to die.

I know it’s easy to say but you do hear stories of families going to extraordinary lengths for an elderly loved one to give them a couple months of low quality of life. Is it the family trying to feel better or hoping for a miracle, or the patient themselves; I’m sure it’s both, but I can’t help but think if we were more comfortable with death, these really costly situations would go away and suffering would actually be reduced. I know it’s easy say and it sounds like I’m advocating for death, and in a way I am, but we all have to go. If your quality of life is so terrible… I’m also a hypocrite because I think that when it will be my turn or my parents’ and I have to decide, I’ll tell them to do everything possible within their directives.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Yes, but someone got a yacht for reducing waste and controlling labor costs, so who’s to say what’s right.

The person with the yacht, obviously. They have the money to fund making many more movies and marketing pushes about how awesome they are for reducing waste and controlling labor costs.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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> rising faster than inflation for several years Over here in Canada healthcare spending has been rising faster than general inflation more or less continuously since the 1960s. Seems to be generally true of many wealthy countries. More tech and therapies. And an ageing population. And probably other factors. https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Health_care_cost_r...

Salaries probably pay factor as well? Check the sunshine list, plenty of radiologists making 600k/year. That's literally 10x of the median salary.

That does not explain everything. While you could make a reasonable case that doctors are overpaid in the US, the same budgetary crisis is happening all over Europe where salaries are much lower.

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I have thought that we should make entering the medical professions much easier. In order to become a nurse, you usually need a 4 year degree. This has two issues: 1. This is way to much time in the classroom. Much of that coursework simply isn't necessary. 2. You have people that would be good nurses piking other programs because they can't get passing marks in classes that are irrelevant to day to day nursing. Bind…

That doesn't help if we don't have money to hire qualified nurses.

Larger supply leads to lower prices, if demand stays flat.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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I am not surprised. Healthcare costs have been rising faster than inflation for several years. It's a difficult sell to increase budgets, so we have to resort to these "invisible" cost cutting measures to try and stay afloat.

> rising faster than inflation for several years Over here in Canada healthcare spending has been rising faster than general inflation more or less continuously since the 1960s. Seems to be generally true of many wealthy countries. More tech and therapies. And an ageing population. And probably other factors. https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Health_care_cost_r...

Another factor is Baumol's cost disease. While some aspects of healthcare have been automated, much of it still comes down to individual clinicians performing procedures on patients.

https://a16z.com/solving-baumols-cost-disease-in-healthcare/

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Much of the west is getting older and getting sicker. How unsurprising. What even is the solution? Expand the already massive healthcare sector further? Where does the money for that come from?

Make that a discussion with the local politics. In theory at least, everybody will need healthcare in their lives and more so when aging. And we need a plan for that, not to act surprised (the way some leaders act surprised with gas dependency, or with immigration, or with...). Everything can have solutions, if it's not swept under the rug.

>Make that a discussion with the local politics.

There is nothing more irrelevant than addressing large scale social issues in local politics. Besides not once in my life have I seen politics improve anything, politics seems to attract the dumbest and most self righteous types of people, who care about nothing but their self image. My time on earth is limited and much too precious to spent it in the company of politicians or just people invested in politics. No Thanks!

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Much of the west is getting older and getting sicker. How unsurprising. What even is the solution? Expand the already massive healthcare sector further? Where does the money for that come from?

I have thought that we should make entering the medical professions much easier. In order to become a nurse, you usually need a 4 year degree. This has two issues: 1. This is way to much time in the classroom. Much of that coursework simply isn't necessary. 2. You have people that would be good nurses piking other programs because they can't get passing marks in classes that are irrelevant to day to day nursing. Bind…

So are you hoping to be treated by nurses who are worse academically than the ones we have now? Or are you hoping that "others" will be treated by them while increased supply depresses wages for the good ones that you think will treat you? Also being a nurse is a very hard job, most people wouldn't last a year as an ER nurse in the US.
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