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The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Much of the west is getting older and getting sicker. How unsurprising. What even is the solution? Expand the already massive healthcare sector further? Where does the money for that come from?

Solution: preventive health care, promoting a healthy lifestyle from an early age, and healthy eating

Obesity is currently only getting worse and many of these sicknesses are already irreversible in people. This also does not do anything about ageing

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Much of the west is getting older and getting sicker. How unsurprising. What even is the solution? Expand the already massive healthcare sector further? Where does the money for that come from?

What's the solution to the symptoms of low interest rates, low fertility rates and declining productivity?

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Much of the west is getting older and getting sicker. How unsurprising. What even is the solution? Expand the already massive healthcare sector further? Where does the money for that come from?

My answer is more sympathy across the board. People are going to make mistakes. People are going to have a hard time. Both lead to more mistakes. Neither are reasons to give up.

On the money angle, I'm on board with the abundance crowd that I internalize as "be willing to spend money." Especially since most value is generated, and not necessarily discovered.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Much of the west is getting older and getting sicker. How unsurprising. What even is the solution? Expand the already massive healthcare sector further? Where does the money for that come from?

Solution: preventive health care, promoting a healthy lifestyle from an early age, and healthy eating

Cuts down on health costs but also increases life span, so you have the issue with the number of elderly citizens vs number of working citizens who can provide care. That needs to be tackled too somehow.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Solution: preventive health care, promoting a healthy lifestyle from an early age, and healthy eating

Obesity is currently only getting worse and many of these sicknesses are already irreversible in people. This also does not do anything about ageing

Luckily obesity is getting more and more solveable tbh

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Much of the west is getting older and getting sicker. How unsurprising. What even is the solution? Expand the already massive healthcare sector further? Where does the money for that come from?

The main problem with Healthcare when it comes to costs is that it is to a certain extent labour intensive, is it not? This makes it difficult to reduce costs as wages rise over time.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Much of the west is getting older and getting sicker. How unsurprising. What even is the solution? Expand the already massive healthcare sector further? Where does the money for that come from?

The narrative is wrong - the wages are low while the working times are exhausting. Half of each trainee's leave each year, while the nurses that can actually endure this shit are going into pension in the next 10 years. And the money is spent on SAP systems who further take time from the already overworked nurses, because they now have to spent a ton of time entering data into a computer with no benefits.

Its not people getting sicker, its mismanagement. Source: Two nurses in family

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I am not surprised. Healthcare costs have been rising faster than inflation for several years. It's a difficult sell to increase budgets, so we have to resort to these "invisible" cost cutting measures to try and stay afloat.

This will continue to happen as long as automation in health care is slower than in other sectors. It's due to Baumol's Cost Disease: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect The same is true for other sectors that struggle with automation like education.

So after every industry is fully automated and everyone has lost all their jobs, do we all just hold hands and walk into the sea together or...?

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Much of the west is getting older and getting sicker. How unsurprising. What even is the solution? Expand the already massive healthcare sector further? Where does the money for that come from?

We have the money. Wealth is everywhere but as a society it's neither evenly distributed nor compassionately allocated. But that is human nature.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Much of the west is getting older and getting sicker. How unsurprising. What even is the solution? Expand the already massive healthcare sector further? Where does the money for that come from?

I have thought that we should make entering the medical professions much easier. In order to become a nurse, you usually need a 4 year degree. This has two issues:

1. This is way to much time in the classroom. Much of that coursework simply isn't necessary.

2. You have people that would be good nurses piking other programs because they can't get passing marks in classes that are irrelevant to day to day nursing.

Binding what are essentially professional programs to the academy is a mistake. Don't get me wrong, I love the academy. But we need nurses.

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