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Anker is no longer selling 3D Printers

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Re: Anker is no longer selling 3D Printers

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Post by triceratops »

torginus wrote: post #29
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #19

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> The jury's still out on cars, but my suspicion is they're going to be far less dominant than the doomsayers predict. Electric Vehicles? Chinese firms are crushing that market. They're well positioned to own the medium-term future of cars and similar vehicles.

No they are not, the only Western market I could find where they have significant penetration is in Australia. Places like the UK have no tariffs on Chinese EVs, and no domestic industry to protect, yet Chinese cars are barely in the top 10.

I hadn't heard of any Chinese EVs as recently as 3 years ago. That they're already in the top 10 in the West is incredible.

Re: Anker is no longer selling 3D Printers

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Post by alias_neo »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #47
alias_neo wrote: post #45

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I've also seen a lot of JAECOO vehicles which look like a rip off of Range Rover's styling.

I think JAECOO are part of the same group as Omoda / Chery. I have no idea if I should have listed it separately or not.

Oh interesting, I had no idea.

I've really not looked too much into Chinese EVs beyond some YouTube channels talking about some of their sketchy tactics to incentivise "influencers" and presumably subsidies to get to the kinds of prices they're selling at in the UK.

I wouldn't consider buying any of them so all I really know is what I see on the streets.

Re: Anker is no longer selling 3D Printers

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Post by OutOfHere »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #49
OutOfHere wrote: post #46

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Your comment is the kind of MBA-school nonsense that destroys companies because they can't get one thing (anything) right. There are people who are willing to pay for good quality and capacity, who don't want the cheap $20 battery. Anker's bigger higher-quality batteries have had no recalls.

The Zolo 20.000mAh model just got recalled, so not exactly true.

I would not consider 20000 mAh to be high end. Consider Anker's laptop power bank with 25000 mAh, and there are similar models.

Re: Anker is no longer selling 3D Printers

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

alias_neo wrote: post #50
torginus wrote: post #36

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I dug around the internet, trying to find some sales stats. This list is for EVs: https://www.vehiclecontracts.co.uk/blog/best-selling-electri... This is for gas cars: https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-news/bestselling-cars/ Both lists have single MG vehicle, so they aren't doing terribly, but based on this, it's hard to conclude they're going to conquer the market. And this is with the UK, which has no tariffs on Chines…

Infrastructure is still lacking in the UK, and not everyone has the possibility of charging at home, but the Chinese EVs are the only ones not reaching into luxury vehicle price territory (and the associated costs) in the UK. If the pace of EV sales picks up (and I'm not convinced it will soon), it's hard to see Chinese EVs at the prices they are, not becoming extremely popular. What could turn it around, is, as you…

> Chinese EVs are the only ones not reaching into luxury vehicle price territory (and the associated costs) in the UK.

I didn't mention Polestar until now, as they don't sell in volume, although I do see some of their vehicles on the roads.

But they do fit this bracket of "(mostly) Chinese EVs, in the luxury vehicle territory".

Arguably also Volvo. Or even top models from Zeekr and Xiaomi.

If you're talking impractically high-end cars, look out for MG Cyberster, BYD Yangwang U9.

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Post by makeitdouble »

OutOfHere wrote: post #46
makeitdouble wrote: post #23

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Battery business is cutthroat and there's already more reliable and better performing alternatives to Anker (CIO for instance, Aohi is also getting there). And brands like Ugreen are going after the "household name" slot as well. Diversifying is a pretty existential in that market IMHO.

Your comment is the kind of MBA-school nonsense that destroys companies because they can't get one thing (anything) right. There are people who are willing to pay for good quality and capacity, who don't want the cheap $20 battery. Anker's bigger higher-quality batteries have had no recalls.

The names don't seem to resonate to you. CIO is a japanese company specialized in batteries, chargers and charging cables, and they're consistantly outranking Anker in third party tests. And their products usually cost more than the equivalent Anker ones.

https://connectinternationalone.co.jp/

Aohi is in a similar niche, but with more attention to design and high capacity models

https://iaohi.com/

Re: Anker is no longer selling 3D Printers

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Post by h4ch1 »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #49
OutOfHere wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is the kind of MBA-school nonsense that destroys companies because they can't get one thing (anything) right. There are people who are willing to pay for good quality and capacity, who don't want the cheap $20 battery. Anker's bigger higher-quality batteries have had no recalls.

The Zolo 20.000mAh model just got recalled, so not exactly true.

This happened because cell vendor Amprius changed the battery design and did not notify the power bank manufacturers.

Hardly seems an Anker issue.

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Post by hyperdimension »

cgio wrote: post #28
SkyPuncher wrote: post #14

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I think all Robovacs still kind of suck. We bought a mid-tier Roborock and it's been, meh. * The "mop" function is pretty much useless. It's very good at creating a thin layer of grime across our entire house. It basically just pushes grime from the high traffic areas of the high into the lower areas. Even with an aggressive setting for "mop cleaning", it just doesn't get clean. * The vacuum function is okay-ish. It…

That's their purpose right?

"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuums"

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Post by alias_neo »

RUnconcerned wrote: post #43
alias_neo wrote: post #31

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We've already heard that there are kill switches in Solar PV equipment[0], networks with Chinese brands are to be considered compromised[1], I'm certain we can assume the same for Chinese brand EVs having remote control and/or kill switches. It's interesting to see the non-response from governments over it so far; though there was recently rumours of an MoD ban on Chinese EVs but that seems to have been shot down[2]…

Whereas devices made in the west are, of course, entirely trustworthy[0][1]. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwal... [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-...

The problem isn't trustworthiness, we know very well what's going on here, "privacy not included", the issue is that if another nation that's not friendly to you controls huge swathes of your infrastructure, they could use that access to cripple you should a "disagreement" occur.

With the kind of infrastructure that holds Chinese technology in the west, they could shut down entire power grids, bring roads to a stand still, shut down entire countries worth of networking, cellular networks and worse. This is leaving out the surveillance and data collection potential as it's not the topic at hand.

To be clear, my issue isn't with China specifically, but as a westerner, they're not a friendly nation (to mine).

The same of course applies the other way around, and I can imagine a scenario of other citizens sitting in their respective nation having this same conversation about western technology.

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Post by alias_neo »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #54
alias_neo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Infrastructure is still lacking in the UK, and not everyone has the possibility of charging at home, but the Chinese EVs are the only ones not reaching into luxury vehicle price territory (and the associated costs) in the UK. If the pace of EV sales picks up (and I'm not convinced it will soon), it's hard to see Chinese EVs at the prices they are, not becoming extremely popular. What could turn it around, is, as you…

> Chinese EVs are the only ones not reaching into luxury vehicle price territory (and the associated costs) in the UK. I didn't mention Polestar until now, as they don't sell in volume, although I do see some of their vehicles on the roads. But they do fit this bracket of "(mostly) Chinese EVs, in the luxury vehicle territory". Arguably also Volvo. Or even top models from Zeekr and Xiaomi. If you're talking impractic…

I guess they're covering every segment.

I've not seen any of those higher end models myself, I'd be curious to know what kind of numbers they're selling in here versus, let's say, European high-end EVs.

I didn't mention Polestar myself either as I'm undecided whether they fit into the "Chinese brands" category; they are Chinese now but I wonder what if any influence Volvo still has on them and if so, what effect that might have on their quality and reliability; perhaps it's "none", but I see Polestar as a brand that would be a more likely purchase because of its Volvo heritage.

I've never seen a Zeekr or Xiaomi vehicle here in the UK, not sure if they're on sale here (yet).

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