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Re: Anker is no longer selling 3D Printers

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It's weird how since like the 2018ish, the West has been holding its collective breath about how 'high-tech Chinese product X' is going to wipe out local markets by offering the same stuff cheaper and better. We've seen this mentioned with smartphones, laptops, various electronics accessories, household stuff, and most recently cars. Interestingly, this stuff never seemed to catch on, the best they usually managed is…

> The jury's still out on cars I don't know if it's just anecdotal, but I see a LOT of Chinese EVs in the England lately. Obviously nobody is buying them based on brand recognition or any sort of quality belief, brands nobody has heard of until now can only be on our streets in the numbers I'm seeing because they're significantly cheaper than buying something from a known auto manufacturer. The one exception I'd say…

> The one exception I'd say in the UK are MG EVs, which for some unknown reason some of my fellow Brits have some sort of affinity to as a brand.

I have news for you about MG, it's been a Chinese company for almost 20 years now.

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> The jury's still out on cars I don't know if it's just anecdotal, but I see a LOT of Chinese EVs in the England lately. Obviously nobody is buying them based on brand recognition or any sort of quality belief, brands nobody has heard of until now can only be on our streets in the numbers I'm seeing because they're significantly cheaper than buying something from a known auto manufacturer. The one exception I'd say…

> The one exception I'd say in the UK are MG EVs, which for some unknown reason some of my fellow Brits have some sort of affinity to as a brand. I have news for you about MG, it's been a Chinese company for almost 20 years now.

That's the implication I was making; I know they're Chinese that's why I raised them, my point is, people are buying them presumably on brand recognition (the exception in that list), which is beyond me because I would _not_ buy an MG (Chinese or otherwise).

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The single most important thing to understand about Chinese brands is that in China, party members sit on the board of these companies. And those party members can dictate action as they see fit. You can take them to the kangaroo court if you like, but people generally don't voluntarily waste time. People think that China is USA 2.0. It's not. It's a communist state with a single ruling party with unilateral control…

We've already heard that there are kill switches in Solar PV equipment[0], networks with Chinese brands are to be considered compromised[1], I'm certain we can assume the same for Chinese brand EVs having remote control and/or kill switches. It's interesting to see the non-response from governments over it so far; though there was recently rumours of an MoD ban on Chinese EVs but that seems to have been shot down[2]…

Whereas devices made in the west are, of course, entirely trustworthy[0][1].

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwal...

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-...

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> The jury's still out on cars, but my suspicion is they're going to be far less dominant than the doomsayers predict. Electric Vehicles? Chinese firms are crushing that market. They're well positioned to own the medium-term future of cars and similar vehicles.

No they are not, the only Western market I could find where they have significant penetration is in Australia. Places like the UK have no tariffs on Chinese EVs, and no domestic industry to protect, yet Chinese cars are barely in the top 10.

You're mistaking "on top now" for "well positioned to be on top in the medium-term future". They're not the same.

Re: Anker is no longer selling 3D Printers

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I dug around the internet, trying to find some sales stats. This list is for EVs: https://www.vehiclecontracts.co.uk/blog/best-selling-electri... This is for gas cars: https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-news/bestselling-cars/ Both lists have single MG vehicle, so they aren't doing terribly, but based on this, it's hard to conclude they're going to conquer the market. And this is with the UK, which has no tariffs on Chines…

And my prediction is that in the UK EV market, MG and Volvo are the thin edge of the wedge of Chinese cars. BYD are on the roads now, and Omoda, soon to be followed by Zeekr, XPeng, Nio and Xiaomi. How well MG does specifically is irrelevant to all that, but your suggestion seems wishful - they have several new models out this year. Tesla's brand reputation is in a ditch, and the big EU brands are struggling to keep…

I've also seen a lot of JAECOO vehicles which look like a rip off of Range Rover's styling.

Re: Anker is no longer selling 3D Printers

#46

Anker should focus on its core business which is batteries. Recently they had multiple safety recalls for batteries. If they can't get batteries right anymore, which is their core business, they can't conceivably get anything else right.

Battery business is cutthroat and there's already more reliable and better performing alternatives to Anker (CIO for instance, Aohi is also getting there). And brands like Ugreen are going after the "household name" slot as well. Diversifying is a pretty existential in that market IMHO.

Your comment is the kind of MBA-school nonsense that destroys companies because they can't get one thing (anything) right. There are people who are willing to pay for good quality and capacity, who don't want the cheap $20 battery. Anker's bigger higher-quality batteries have had no recalls.

Re: Anker is no longer selling 3D Printers

#47

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And my prediction is that in the UK EV market, MG and Volvo are the thin edge of the wedge of Chinese cars. BYD are on the roads now, and Omoda, soon to be followed by Zeekr, XPeng, Nio and Xiaomi. How well MG does specifically is irrelevant to all that, but your suggestion seems wishful - they have several new models out this year. Tesla's brand reputation is in a ditch, and the big EU brands are struggling to keep…

I've also seen a lot of JAECOO vehicles which look like a rip off of Range Rover's styling.

I think JAECOO are part of the same group as Omoda / Chery.

I have no idea if I should have listed it separately or not.

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I think all Robovacs still kind of suck. We bought a mid-tier Roborock and it's been, meh. * The "mop" function is pretty much useless. It's very good at creating a thin layer of grime across our entire house. It basically just pushes grime from the high traffic areas of the high into the lower areas. Even with an aggressive setting for "mop cleaning", it just doesn't get clean. * The vacuum function is okay-ish. It…

I can't speak to the mop function, I've never had a robo mop. I've had robot vacuums for about a decade now. Originally a Botvac, now a Shark. They're not a complete vacuum replacement, I've never had one always able to get every corner perfectly and get all the deeper dust and what not. What they do well is control all the animal hair in my home. There's a lot of shedding in my house, I'd have to spend time vacuumin…

Yep, my $150 Amazon warehouse deals Eufy picks up about two large handfuls of cat hair daily if I run it consistently and more if I run it every few days. And this is one medium sized shorthair cat I comb regularly!

I’ve only needed to replace consumables like the little side brush and roller brush and the cheap Amazon knockoff brands work fine for me.

Re: Anker is no longer selling 3D Printers

#49

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Battery business is cutthroat and there's already more reliable and better performing alternatives to Anker (CIO for instance, Aohi is also getting there). And brands like Ugreen are going after the "household name" slot as well. Diversifying is a pretty existential in that market IMHO.

Your comment is the kind of MBA-school nonsense that destroys companies because they can't get one thing (anything) right. There are people who are willing to pay for good quality and capacity, who don't want the cheap $20 battery. Anker's bigger higher-quality batteries have had no recalls.

The Zolo 20.000mAh model just got recalled, so not exactly true.

Re: Anker is no longer selling 3D Printers

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> The jury's still out on cars I don't know if it's just anecdotal, but I see a LOT of Chinese EVs in the England lately. Obviously nobody is buying them based on brand recognition or any sort of quality belief, brands nobody has heard of until now can only be on our streets in the numbers I'm seeing because they're significantly cheaper than buying something from a known auto manufacturer. The one exception I'd say…

I dug around the internet, trying to find some sales stats. This list is for EVs: https://www.vehiclecontracts.co.uk/blog/best-selling-electri... This is for gas cars: https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-news/bestselling-cars/ Both lists have single MG vehicle, so they aren't doing terribly, but based on this, it's hard to conclude they're going to conquer the market. And this is with the UK, which has no tariffs on Chines…

Infrastructure is still lacking in the UK, and not everyone has the possibility of charging at home, but the Chinese EVs are the only ones not reaching into luxury vehicle price territory (and the associated costs) in the UK.

If the pace of EV sales picks up (and I'm not convinced it will soon), it's hard to see Chinese EVs at the prices they are, not becoming extremely popular.

What could turn it around, is, as you say, terrible reliability records, but even then, that didn't seem to stop people buying ICE cars, so I'm not sure how much of an effect it'll have here either. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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