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The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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post #7

No thanks

I mean, you can say that, but the unelected will decide for us. Oh when it was just for "easier international trade". What a good one.

They are not unelected. They might be appointed but the parliament is elected and can block this. Go vote in EU elections. A parliament that is not full of conservatives can block this.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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post #8

> Fast-forward to February 2025, Poland tried to find a better compromise by making the scanning of encrypted chats voluntary instead of mandatory and classified as "prevention." Okay hear me out, for public or semi public chats, having a tool to force content scans to prevent people randomly posting csam into the channel might be an idea worth considering. Ask any Matrix Admin about that issue...

You know, I've been on the Internet 20+ years and have been to some shady corners of it... but nowhere seems to have such a CSAM problem as Matrix and its friends apparently do. Why would that be?

Due to the design of the protocol and to a degree the audience. Here's a bit more info in form of a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8KEuAEYjQ4

> but nowhere seems to have such a CSAM problem as Matrix

Well Tor, i2p, freenet etc. are mostly csam anyway

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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"the EU wants to scan your messages" implies its every member state and not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die.

The EU has always been 90 days from passing mass surveliance for the last decade. Until member states start actually backing this these articles are nothing but click bait.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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I just don't get it - criminals will just continue to use "real" encryption. Why are some of these people so obsessed with reading everyone's chats?

Crowd control, psyops, trend analysis. EU is quickly becoming authoritarian and the change is instigated by the sitting parties.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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I am ambivalent about news like this.

On one hand it is a terrible proposal that deserves exposure to generate pushback.

On the other hand it is still just a proposal, of which there are many (stupid ones) which never see the light of day. This still needs to pass the European Parliament (which is generally opposed to this, not in the least because it is very unpopular under EU citizens). Even then the chances of it surviving a challenge in the courts (of which there will be many) are tiny.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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I just don't get it - criminals will just continue to use "real" encryption. Why are some of these people so obsessed with reading everyone's chats?

When real encryption is illegal, it will be easier to roll them up.

> Why are some of these people so obsessed with reading everyone's chats?

Having worked with some of the people in law enforcement heavily pushing this, it generally does come from child safety concerns and the overwhelming amount of CSAM sent via encrypted means.

Personally, I don't believe that it will ever be restricted to serious crimes and the potential for abuse is infinite, so I don't believe it is justifiable, but child sexual abuse is a real and enormous problem that causes untold harm and suffering, so we have to find a balance.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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I just don't get it - criminals will just continue to use "real" encryption. Why are some of these people so obsessed with reading everyone's chats?

By banning real encryption, the police can arrest anyone using chat apps they can't control. Them not being able to spy on you automatically makes you guilty.

Also something something children something terrorism something something safety, whatever makes the uninformed public feel like this is something that'll benefit them.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

#20
post #3

Maybe they can lead by example and show us the chats from Ursula first...

Better still, the chats between Danish PM Mette Frederiksen and other members of government concerning the (possibly illegal) culling of all mink in Denmark. The chats were coincidentally deleted for security reasons as the press were catching on - security reasons that apparently do not apply to regular people simply texting their dad, girlfriend or anyone
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