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The evidence has become overwhelming now. Genocide denial in Gaza has become equivalent to holocaust denial - just another racist trope.
‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]
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#712Those in power care only about their own power; everything else is expendable
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#713Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a lot of ideologically motivated flagging of comments from all sides. We're trying to go through and unkill reasonable comments, but it's a slow process. You could help by vouching the ones that are not breaking the guidelines, and also by not posting comments that break the guidelines yourself.
I think this is probably a sign that you shouldn't allow these posts on HN, despite the rationale posted by dang in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44718396 If the flagging is such that one point of view is represented ad nauseam and the other point of view is barely represented due to flagging pile on, then it's not actually contributing to discourse at all -- it's just an echo chamber. That does not fit in wit…
I wish you'd work with us as we try to do what we can to maximize the quality of the thread, rather than dismissing everything we've spent today doing as futile. Of course it's going to be futile when the very people who think they could make it better insist that it's pointless to even try.
Yes, there's a weight of sentiment in a certain direction about this topic. Equally, there are minority, nuanced perspectives that are important, and I've unkilled several of them today and turned off flagging powers on users who were reflexively flagging anything they disagreed with.
I'll continue to be online for most of the next 4-5 hours. I'd be very pleased if you were to contribute positively by sharing your perspective, and as long as it's within the guidelines I'll ensure it doesn't get killed by a flag pile-on.
Well-argued minority positions are often the most valuable on HN. Comments that just say the same thing everyone's been saying are by-definition uninteresting, even if they're in the overwhelming majority. Indeed, one of the most important reasons to allow topics like this to be discussed on HN is to give a voice to well-argued minority perspectives that can't be found elsewhere.
Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]
#714Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty much my take. I thought Israel's actions were reasonable at first but out of hand now.
Israel has been blockading the Gaza Strip by air and sea for 18 years. The Gaza Strip is, as far as I know, the only place in the world whose fishermen can't fish in the full extent of its territorial waters. This has been true since way before Oct. 7th 2023.
Keep in mind that the Gaza Strip borders both Israel and Egypt.
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Maybe they are not starving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQx1Qy5Z5fA
Maybe you place your trust in reliable media all over the world instead of random YouTube videos. Journalists are in Gaza right now, putting their life on the line to show you the ground truth—and you dismiss all that due to a channel called "travelingisrael"?
> "to show you the ground truth"
Sounds like "traveling gaza" is your preferred source over "traveling israel". No difference. Well, there's some differences... There aren't any foreign journalists in Gaza and the "truth" is certainly not a strong point in reporting lines from Islamist controlled war zones.
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#716For everyone in this thread hoping for a "Marshall Plan" or other functional aid regime for Gaza, keep in mind that the Marshall Plan began with defeat . It was only with Germany's unconditional surrender that the Allies could establish security and make a plan for the future. Hamas has had many opportunities to surrender and hasn't taken them. Hitler had many opportunities, as well; but chose not to. Surrender was n…
one could argue, that with hamas de facto defeated and now rival gangs rising up to take power, israel could unilaterally ceasefire and hold elections for a new government to run the strip. hamas, if they pop up again, are disposed of with both domestic and IDF forces. the main problem is that doing so would probably result in the death of the hostages. hamas wants to stay in power, even if gaza is reduced to sand, t…
Ultimately it's Iran's call who takes power in Gaza, as they've been funding various groups based on the willingness to engage Israel - for this reason the PLO originally fell out in favor of Hamas when it softened its stance.
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#717I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…
Not a massive fan of Israel, but I can't see any other country reacting in a different way to Oct 7th. The Hamas attack has to be one of the dumbest strategic moves ever made.
You mean reacting with war crimes, crimes against humanity, attempted genocide? This without even mentioning the fact that, given Israel's ongoing illegal occupation of Palestine, a military attack to Israel was entirely justified.
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#719As someone who went to US high school in the 90s, a good 1/3 of our curriculum seemed to be "never again" studies of the holocaust and other genocides throughout history. Which makes it completely incomprehensible to me that suddenly "don't talk about genocide" has become the basically law. What's worse is I actually feel openly saying "I don't support this genocide and I'm critical of the state committing it" is a r…
>is a risky thing to say in public. I wouldn't say it not behind a pseudonymous account without some level of plausible deniability. Even peak cancel culture wasn't quite so chilling.
Peak cancel culture was much more chilling than this. People were fired for cracking their knuckles[0], businesses were targeted for selling tacos while White, not constantly virtue signaling at work would cast you as a racist since "silence is complicetness," etc. A moral panic not seen for decades.
Leftists made their bed, and now they get to lie in it. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Those who pointed out the peak woke cancel culture lunacy were told they were racists supporting the status quo. Now you're being told you're antisemitic.
It was truly dystopian.
[0] https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/502975-cal...
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Maybe it's because Israel is viewed as a "modern"/"western" nation, and shouldn't be doing these kinds of things, whereas Sudan and Congo are not.
Hamas had it coming, but I'm not sure much can explain the starvation random children are experiencing, that they weren't before, except Israel trying to extract some toll on the Palestinian people.
I think anti semitism is more common than it appears on the surface level, even when people say "criticizing Israel isn't criticizing Jews in general", but a lot of it actually is. But that doesn't explain all criticism.
This sounds weird to say, but I'm actually okay with kids getting blown up in bombings if there were legitimate military targets there and no other choice. But starvation takes a long, concerted effort to effect.