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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by sudopluto »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #524
tayo42 wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? It would be terrible politically for Israel to keep attacking Palestine if Palestine and hamas agreed to peace. All of the ambiguity of right and wrong would be gone.

But Israel does that constantly, because they say the peace that Hamas agreed to doesn’t count. And the peace offer that Israel is waiting for is basically every male over 16 handed over for interrogation as Hamas members, with the chances of survival for actual Hamas leaders being about none.

Almost like starting a war is risky, and that by doing so you should weigh the consequences of you losing that war. Why would Hamas leaders expect to survive this war? Are they so cowardly that they would genocide their people to escape justice? If the people of gaza are going to be sacrificed by the IDF, or sacrificed by Hamas, at what point do they turn on Hamas as the weaker of the two?

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Post by [deleted] »

zahlman wrote: post #552
rixed wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If didn't downvote nor flag, but wanted to help you clarify your misunderstanding. The vast majority of people across the world is in favour of the end of bombing and segregation, and against the regime that perpetuate it, if only because of empathy alone. And HN does indeed reflects this to some extent. What the OP was alluding to when he said that pro palestinian view points were silenced is the more or less dissim…

>The vast majority of people across the world is in favour of the end of bombing and segregation Should you not feel the need to evidence this? > the more or less dissimulated support for the war and systematically misleading depiction of the situation in the mainstream news. First, I don't see why I should conclude that that's what the comment was about. The part I quoted was: > I, for one, am thankful this hasn't b…

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by ViewTrick1002 »

sudopluto wrote: post #622
eutropia wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes we should encourage changing minds. ...Except I clocked Israel as having genocidal ambitions within days of Hamas' attack, right about the time their generals started talking about cutting off power and water to the entirety of gaza. I have imagine I am both less informed and more naive than any of these politicians. I don't have to applaud them when they spinelessly slither with the prevailing political winds.

hamas could surrender tomorrow and end any pretense or cover for the "genocidal ambitions". you are being incredibly racist towards palestinians by infantilizing them and suggesting that hamas doesn't have any agency or responsibility for this war or it's effect on innocent civilians.

I think you are putting too much weight on the organization rather than the idea and collective it represents. From a very westernized idealized perspective.

Hamas is not this all encompassing high communication stable organization able to surrender tomorrow.

Hamas, or rather the idea, is instead made up of everyone who had a family member, relative or friend killed by Israel wanting to live a good life without the threat or pain of past actions.

One group of a loosely connected collective surrendering won’t materially change the situation on the ground.

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Post by [deleted] »

zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

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Post by DaveExeter »

churchill wrote: post #3

Does anyone still need testimonies like these to be convinced that Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians using kinetic force and starvation? We're past that point now. Making Gaza unlivable by carpet-bombing the strip, telegraphing mass murder in unambiguous statements at the highest levels of government, dehumanizing the Palestinians and silencing anyone who dares to speak up? I, for one, am thankf…

Israeli is implementing a final solution to the Palestinian problem, and that solution is...genocide!

Some might argue it's not genocide but simply mass-murder. That's an awful lot of mass-murdering going on.

The Bret Stephens hasbara is that it's not a genocide because of how slow the killing is. Obviously the IDF could dig in machine guns in hidden trenches, lure starving Palestinians with the bait of food, and gun down thousands at once.

The problem with that approach is that such a strategy would risk rousing the conscience of the world. It's much safer to murder a few hundred a day and have slow starvation take thousands.

While pictures of starving Palestinian children are evocative of the Holocaust, or at least of the end of the Holocaust when cameras were allowed into liberated concentration camps, the world seems not to have a problem with Holocaust 2.0

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

somedude895 wrote: post #630
churchill wrote: post #3

Does anyone still need testimonies like these to be convinced that Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians using kinetic force and starvation? We're past that point now. Making Gaza unlivable by carpet-bombing the strip, telegraphing mass murder in unambiguous statements at the highest levels of government, dehumanizing the Palestinians and silencing anyone who dares to speak up? I, for one, am thankf…

> Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians This would be the dumbest way to do this. It would take centuries to exterminate them at this rate. The genocide narrative makes no sense to any person with a brain.

Why’s it gotta be quick? Israel has them contained and holds every card. Its government could speed it up tomorrow if they wanted to, but that might look bad enough to lose them the support of the US and much of their population. Why hurry?

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Post by givemeethekeys »

9dev wrote: post #88
dismalaf wrote: post #79

Criticizing Israel is in vogue but what's the solution? Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas has publicly stated that more civilian deaths helps their cause [1], they're still fighting, the UN refused to distribute aid because they were getting attacked [2], and Israel unilaterally pulling out of Gaza and leaving them to govern themselves is literally what led to October 7th... 1 - https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11…

Well the solution certainly isn’t letting an entire People starve to death? By the way, I don’t see criticism of Israel, but Israel’s current extremist government. I’d even argue that supporting Israel means opposing that administration.

Maybe they are not starving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQx1Qy5Z5fA

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Post by FabHK »

protocolture wrote: post #487
FabHK wrote: post #467

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>About 2.5% of the inhabitants of Gaza have been killed in the ongoing war, constituting fewer than 0.5% of Palestinians worldwide. My understanding is that the agencies in Gaza have not only lost their ability to tally the dead, but have not been tracking deaths where a corpse has not been located. Not to mention that this is the tail end of a long process that began with the Nakba. The fact that theres a remnant re…

Sure, it's been going on for a long time. Close to a million Palestinians were expelled (or fled) from Israel after its founding, and close to a million Jews were expelled (or fled) from various Muslim-majority countries around that time.

The former is known as the Nakba (as you highlight) and well known. The latter, not so much.

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