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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by rixed »

dismalaf wrote: post #583
coffeeboy27 wrote: post #578

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Not the OP but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say not bombing civilians, in general, is a path exploring.

Ok. So you stop bombing. How do you get the hostages back? Do you just abandon them? You still answered with a negative, not a real answer.

How do you get the hostages back with the bombing?

Oh, you are going to say, "that's to prevent future fighters from capturing future hostages", I guess?

But wait, we know that today's bombings are making future fighters, so, really, what's the plan??

You know, the evening of the 9/11 I remember spending the whole night depressing, thinking "omg, now the US are going to wage war all around the globe, my son will grow up in a terrible place". Because how could the military behemoth answer in any other way? And sure enough, that's what happened.

After the 7th of October, I had similar thoughts: "omg, now Israel is going to act stupid and make Jews hated again".

I've lost friends who had to leave my country because of antisemitism. I've also had my life threatened by right wing extremist zionists. So at least take my words on this: The first and most natural answer to violence and hated is more violence and hatred, universally. If that's not what you want for the next generation make the first move to stop it.

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Post by xdennis »

YZF wrote: post #446
mjevans wrote: post #430

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These terrorists, yield? Already faulty logic. Their proclaimed goals and historic record show that will never happen and their budget for violence knows no limit. It's as tough as desalinating water, but removing the civilians from the terrorists must happen. Otherwise the result will either be genocide of the 'salt water', or of the 'plants' the salt in that water is bent on destroying. What is an acceptable plan f…

I'll give you my honest opinion here and a criticism of Israeli government all at once. Israel should have moved the Palestinians civilians into Israel proper, e.g. the Negev. It should have created refugee camps for them there and provided them with all the support/aid while it went after Hamas. They'd be able to filter the people going in, make them surrender their weapons etc. No tunnels, no weapons caches, etc. I…

> Israel should have moved the Palestinians civilians into Israel proper, e.g. the Negev.

This is so silly. Israel is a tiny country. There are countless huge Muslim countries, none of which want to help Gazans.

How many German refugees did the Allies take in WW2?

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Post by [deleted] »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #310
King-Aaron wrote: post #304

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I feel like this has been the case for decades. It is very asymmetrical.

I think many people have their own personal revelation where they come to believe what Israel is doing is not self-defense but rather genocide. For me that came in the 2008/2009 Gaza offensive where they inflicted roughly 100 deaths for every Israeli who was killed in the initial attack. The Freedom Flotilla incident in early 2010 where they murdered the aid volunteers in international waters only further solidified…

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Post by eastbound »

arunabha wrote: post #542
mjevans wrote: post #423

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Think about it from a logical perspective. Israel's real enemy won't stop and won't surrender until that country and it's people don't exist. They have taken the innocent civilian's of Gaza / Palistine / whatever you want to call the area hostage. They are also so ingrained into the region that resources are literally siphoned from humanitarian sites like hospitals into deep tunnels beneath; as just one example of re…

> Israel's real enemy won't stop and won't surrender until that country and it's people don't exist Funny, this seems to be a pretty accurate description of Netanyahu's current position. He understands that he exists politically only as long as he can keep the war going. So, of course there is going to be no end to the 'war' against Hamas, even though it has transformed into mass genocide of civilians using starvatio…

Wait, didn’t they launch 6500 rockets on Israel civilians in the 8 months before October? How doesn’t that moot your point, attacking while in a peace period?

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Post by xdennis »

somenameforme wrote: post #565
arbitrary_name wrote: post #456

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Evidence please!

South Africa's genocide case against Israel [1] is chock full of quotes from high level Israeli officials, including Netanyahu. Check page 59. Obviously much more has been said since that claim was filed, but the nature of genocidal rhetoric is such that you can't get much more extreme. Netanyahu himself repeatedly referenced the biblical tale of Amalek [2] which reaches its climax with this passage [3] : "Now go and…

GP asked for proof of "numerous clips of Rabbis openly promoting the extermination of Palestinians". If there are numerous, he should be able to post some.

South Africa has no moral authority given that it refuses to arrest Putin.

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Post by Aunche »

churchill wrote: post #3

Does anyone still need testimonies like these to be convinced that Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians using kinetic force and starvation? We're past that point now. Making Gaza unlivable by carpet-bombing the strip, telegraphing mass murder in unambiguous statements at the highest levels of government, dehumanizing the Palestinians and silencing anyone who dares to speak up? I, for one, am thankf…

> Does anyone still need testimonies like these to be convinced that Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians using kinetic force and starvation?

Before October 7, activists insisted that Gaza’s border restrictions were driven purely by hatred rather than any legitimate security concerns. That view was completely discredited by the attacks on October 7, so forgive me for being skeptical of similarly absolutist claims being made now.

To be clear, preventing famine should take far greater priority than intercepting a few more rockets with Iron Dome. The suffering in Gaza is undeniable. But I see Israel’s actions as driven more by indifference or strategic rigidity than by a calculated intent to exterminate.

Maybe that distinction doesn't matter to you, since it doesn't change how people are dying needlessly, but how we interpret Israel’s intent shapes how we respond. Backing Israel into a corner tends to make things worse, not better. That’s why the Biden administration’s approach of supporting military aid while applying diplomatic pressure was the only viable path to avoid even greater catastrophe.

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Post by ars »

runarberg wrote: post #506
ars wrote: post #406

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You can't really use the word Zionist anymore because everyone has a completely different definition of what it means. So you're going to have to define your particular flavor before using it. To me virtually everyone on earth is a Zionist because it just means "having your own country", which is something almost everyone wants. I'm sure your definition is different.

To me Zionism is the settler colonial national project of Israel as a Jewish supremacy state on Palestinan lands. If you support Israel as a Jewish supremacy state which denies civil rights to the Palestians that live there or were expelled (or descendants of expelled Palestinians) in 1947-1948, then you are a Zionist. If you support a state called Israel which has equal rights for all its civilians (including Palest…

So you should know that this definition of Zionism that you use was created by antisemities.

No actual Zionist uses this definition. It's also not a factual reality of how Israel started, Israel is not a settler project, it's not colonial, and it was not built on Palestinian lands. None of that is true. Zionism is Jews returning to their own land, not the land of others.

But I am well aware that people like to pretend it's true, (and then criticize it). If you spend a lot of time online you'll hear this definition over and over, and people actually start to believe it's real.

Israel already has equal rights for all civilians inside Israel. The people in the area not in Israel of course are not Israeli, and they were offered a state of their own, which they refused (multiple times).

> because if they did support that, they wouldn’t be Zionists, at least not in my books.

Tons of Zionists want that, they call them leftists in Israel, but they are also Zionists. They used to be far more numerous, but multiple Palestinian attacks have greatly reduced their numbers. (It's one of the ironies of Oct 7 that the Palestinians primarily killed those people advocating for a Palestinian state.)

The fact that you say "they wouldn't be Zionists" makes it quite clear that you don't actually know what Zionism is!

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Post by DaveExeter »

cauefcr wrote: post #526
mjevans wrote: post #423

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Think about it from a logical perspective. Israel's real enemy won't stop and won't surrender until that country and it's people don't exist. They have taken the innocent civilian's of Gaza / Palistine / whatever you want to call the area hostage. They are also so ingrained into the region that resources are literally siphoned from humanitarian sites like hospitals into deep tunnels beneath; as just one example of re…

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Post by ars »

actionfromafar wrote: post #462
ars wrote: post #403

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> How do Jewish people accept the genocide going on right now? They were not expecting it. GHF has distributed enough food to Gaza that there should not be any starvation going on. The Jewish people were not expecting the weaker people in Gaza to be unable to get food because the strong stole it, and got more than their fair share.

Can you present any factual basis for these completely wild claims?

Is it really that hard? Go see the stats on how much food GHF distributed, then add in the UN brings in (which never stopped).

Then go look at photos of fat healthy people holding starving kids, and wonder how that's even possible. If you read interviews (and I have) you'll get your answer: the food is very unevenly distributed, the strong have stolen it from the weak.

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Post by EchoReflection »

asdefghyk wrote: post #610
EchoReflection wrote: post #544

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It is said, that the first causality of a war is truth. We do not know what is true and what is not.

That is a great quote, but we do know that it is "true" that Hamas started the war when they attacked Israel on October 7th and took many Israelis hostage :(
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