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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by dfxm12 »

zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

Movements that want to grow should accept people who change their minds when the situation changes, they get new data, or they learn a new perspective.

The situation hasn't changed. The data is the same going back years. It's healthy to be cautious of people who join a movement under false pretenses like that.

If they learned a new perspective, that's great! I just wish it didn't have to come to personally witnessing such brutality to gain a new perspective...

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

rendall wrote: post #130
Ericson2314 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not how "don't do war crimes" works. It's incumbent upon Israel to find an alternative.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that Israel has decided to starve out Gazans in order to end the war. You have the choice to save them by offering a better solution. What is it? "Not X!" is a copout. Unfortunately for that perspective, finding a good solution means diving in and understanding the conflict from the Israeli perspective.

Occupying powers have a legal responsibility to provide aid to civilians in territories they occupy. They also have a legal responsibility to figure out the logistics. They also cannot commit war crimes. So the solution is for israel to do what they are legally required to do, and stop doing what they are legally proscribed from doing.

Everything else (hostage return, feelings of safety, etc) is:

1. Less important, and

2. Equally applicable to both israel and palestine

Finding a good solution means diving in and understanding the conflict beyond israel's perspective: There is simply no legal or moral justification for the atrocities we see here. None whatsoever.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by ars »

xyst wrote: post #117

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> How do Jewish people accept the genocide going on right now?

They were not expecting it. GHF has distributed enough food to Gaza that there should not be any starvation going on.

The Jewish people were not expecting the weaker people in Gaza to be unable to get food because the strong stole it, and got more than their fair share.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by insane_dreamer »

ars wrote: post #394
insane_dreamer wrote: post #384

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> way way way, worse that Gaza are going on right now

Yeah, all those three are bad; Sudan in particular. I wouldn't say Yemen and Syria are worse than Gaza.

> You seem to only care about Israel.

The reason I'm screaming about Israel is especially because we (the US) are aiding and abetting it. If we were funding Sudanese rebels the way we're funding the IDF, and welcoming their generals to the White House like we do Bibi, I'be screaming about that too.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by mupuff1234 »

elihu wrote: post #231
churchill wrote: post #3

Does anyone still need testimonies like these to be convinced that Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians using kinetic force and starvation? We're past that point now. Making Gaza unlivable by carpet-bombing the strip, telegraphing mass murder in unambiguous statements at the highest levels of government, dehumanizing the Palestinians and silencing anyone who dares to speak up? I, for one, am thankf…

I think the thing that should have been a clear unambiguous sign (if nothing up to then were convincing enough) that Israel's intentions weren't just to defeat Hamas but cause severe harm to the civilian population of Gaza was when they blocked all food and aid into Gaza for months. I mean, why would you do that unless you want people to die? Even the stated explanation that they wanted to deprive Hamas of the abilit…

The market value of hoarded food going up only helps Hamas if they are the one managing to do the hoarding - otherwise it actually works against Hamas (if there's another distributor)

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Post by ars »

runarberg wrote: post #326
xyst wrote: post #117

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The genocide is done in the name of the Zionist ideology, not Judaism, and Jewish people don‘t have to have any special opinion about it different from the rest of us. Zionists however have a lot to answer for, and they sure do need to find a lot of excuses if they want to keep their ideology. If a Jewish person condemns the Gaza genocide, that just means they are human and follow the news and empathize with victims…

You can't really use the word Zionist anymore because everyone has a completely different definition of what it means.

So you're going to have to define your particular flavor before using it.

To me virtually everyone on earth is a Zionist because it just means "having your own country", which is something almost everyone wants. I'm sure your definition is different.

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Post by zamadatix »

wredcoll wrote: post #302
crystal_revenge wrote: post #17

As someone who went to US high school in the 90s, a good 1/3 of our curriculum seemed to be "never again" studies of the holocaust and other genocides throughout history. Which makes it completely incomprehensible to me that suddenly "don't talk about genocide" has become the basically law. What's worse is I actually feel openly saying "I don't support this genocide and I'm critical of the state committing it" is a r…

> Even peak cancel culture wasn't quite so chilling. Wait. What? Are you trying to imply this was some kind of a real thing that happened? Sarcasm on the internet doesn't always travel well, I can't tell if you're just using this fiction as a metaphor or trying to convince people it actually happened.

This is hard to read as a genuine question so I'm not sure you'll get a genuine answer (if any response).

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Post by anonymars »

zahlman wrote: post #400
anonymars wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not going to find this one encouraging: > A Columbia genocide scholar says she may leave over university’s new definition of antisemitism > ... Hirsch, the daughter of two Holocaust survivors, is now thinking of leaving the classroom altogether. https://apnews.com/article/columbia-university-antisemitism-... -- Tangentially related, I never understood how the anti-BDS laws square with the first amendment ( h…

> Tangentially related, I never understood how the anti-BDS laws square with the first amendment At my university, a portion of my dues went to funding BDS efforts (what expenses do they even have?) and I had no clear means to object to this. This was in Canada, but it seems to me perfectly fair to oppose that. That said: > Most anti-BDS laws have taken one of two forms: contract-focused laws requiring government con…

> At my university, a portion of my dues went to funding BDS efforts

Surely you can protest that at the university and it is not a government-enforced policy?

> Substitute, for example, any domestic racial minority for "Israel"

Is "Israel" a race or a country? Should a Canadian not be allowed to boycott the US?

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Post by skybrian »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #384

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Well, maybe not. Did the UN send peacekeepers when Russia invaded Ukraine? Do they send peacekeepers to stop the war in Sudan? Intervening in an active war is not what peacekeepers are for.

Why are Palestinian refugees still in Gaza when the whole place is a war zone? Certainly some would stay, but mostly they are trapped.

Under the circumstances, for Gaza, having Israel as a neighbor is worse than having Russia as a neighbor. Even if enough food is shipped in to temporarily resolve the current crisis, people in Gaza won't be safe where they are.

So, here's a question that's rarely asked: which countries will accept refugees from Gaza? Obviously not the US with the current administration. Why not France, Germany, or other European countries?

According to Wikipedia, since 2022, Europe took over five million Ukrainian refugees due to the war. [1] This is more than twice the population of Gaza.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_refugee_crisis

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Post by zahlman »

ivape wrote: post #376
zahlman wrote: post #361

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> I, for one, am thankful this hasn't been taken down like any article remotely critical of Israel. ????? I am generally not at all invested in this conflict and I cede that I have very little information about what is going on, and it's been like that for me for decades. But the information that is available to me, in the current context, from looking at HN, is: pro-Palestine and anti-Israeli sentiments are the norm…

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I don't know whether you are being sincere or sarcastic, but either way this is not a productive mode of discourse. If sincere:

> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

If sarcastic:

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

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