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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by Barbing »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #349
kayodelycaon wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The destruction is fully visible in satellite footage. Associated Press has “before and after” comparisons.

Israel lobbied for restrictions on the resolution of satellite footage of the occupied Palestinian territories, so it tends to be a lot more blurred than images of anywhere else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyl–Bingaman_Amendment

So NYSE-traded Planet Labs PBC would be affected given their San Francisco HQ, and it could be higher resolution than this perhaps w/o that law?

For reference, link to the AP's reporting including satellite photos with before/after sliders (20232025):

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-destruction...

(Disclaimer: I'm out of my depth on satellites, photography, and international relations... & almost everything really)

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Post by FabHK »

kalberg6429 wrote: post #425
jahewson wrote: post #393

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The problem is not the narrative. The problem is Hamas.

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Your quotes are not in the article cited, which does say though that

> According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

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Post by rany_ »

thenaturalist wrote: post #266
rany_ wrote: post #256

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Yes, Israel is the one currently banning international journalists from entering Gaza. Hamas has no reason to.

Yeah, really no reason. Because they really love unbiased coverage. > The journalist told RSF that the threat came from Hamas members who were unhappy with his social media posts. A few days earlier, the reporter — who wishes to remain anonymous — had published a post criticising Hamas, which was facing strong backlash from local protestors exhausted from being subjected to the massacres committed by Israeli forces.…

Sure but your post is completely unrelated.

We are talking about international journalists not being allowed into Gaza. Your comment is about a local journalist being intimidated by Hamas members.

International journalists are generally allowed to report freely. If there was any intimidation they would be airing it nonstop.

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Post by starik36 »

churchill wrote: post #3

Does anyone still need testimonies like these to be convinced that Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians using kinetic force and starvation? We're past that point now. Making Gaza unlivable by carpet-bombing the strip, telegraphing mass murder in unambiguous statements at the highest levels of government, dehumanizing the Palestinians and silencing anyone who dares to speak up? I, for one, am thankf…

> Anyone still need testimonies like these to be convinced that Israel

You are operating until a false premise that Palestinians/Hamas are some sort of children and bear no responsibility for anything at all.

Where in reality, the war could have been over in 5 minutes if they released the hostages at any time during the past 3 years. It still can be over in 5 minutes if they choose to do that. But no, they will put as many of their own people in harm's way as necessary to get to the world opinion to be what it is. And literally no one, including you, is questioning that. But please, do tell me that hostages have nothing to do with anything or Netanyahu bad or whatever else you can cook up.

> while Soviet citizens starved

As someone who grew up in the USSR, I can assure you - no one was starving.

> what killed the Soviet Union was disillusion. People at all levels realized that a system that couldn't provide its people the basics didn't deserve to exist.

That is such a simplistic view of what happened. I don't think that the system cared what its people thought at any time during the existence of the Soviet Union.

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Post by jiggawatts »

SirSavary wrote: post #363
jiggawatts wrote: post #265

Something to keep in mind when listening to "first hand accounts" like this is that even if they're honest statements, everybody is subject to the fog of war and skewed statistics. An example that came up a few months ago was a surgeon in a Gaza hospital making the honest statement to BBC journalists that he had seen dozens of children coming into the hospital near death with a "single shot" to a vital organ. He clai…

> What he didn't see coming into his O/R were the children with multiple gunshot wounds... because they died. Conversely, a grazing wound from shrapnel is too minor to go to his well equipped hospital, because the hospital is overloaded and taking only the severely wounded. So he saw just the filtered subset of injuries that were very severe but just barely survivable, giving him the false impression that the IDF was…

Apologies, it was The Guardian not the BBC: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestini...

The logic underpinning my comment is the Survivorship Bias: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

The source for that is the “pretraining” we all share: children generally don’t survive multiple gunshot wounds from military battle rifles. One… maybe, but not two or three to the chest… or anywhere really.

I mean, you can debate that point if you choose, but you’d have to make a convincing argument that children are more likely to cling to life with more gunshot wounds.

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Post by YZF »

mjevans wrote: post #430
YZF wrote: post #247

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I'm in the same camp tbh. I think Israel should not be putting all of Gaza under siege. It's not moral. This will also not work because the Hamas doesn't care about Gazans. It's also not helping Israel (other than some internal politics between Netanyahu and his right wing extremists). Totally agree on people need to be able to change their minds based on new data and as the situation changes. I'm personally constant…

These terrorists, yield? Already faulty logic. Their proclaimed goals and historic record show that will never happen and their budget for violence knows no limit. It's as tough as desalinating water, but removing the civilians from the terrorists must happen. Otherwise the result will either be genocide of the 'salt water', or of the 'plants' the salt in that water is bent on destroying. What is an acceptable plan f…

I'll give you my honest opinion here and a criticism of Israeli government all at once. Israel should have moved the Palestinians civilians into Israel proper, e.g. the Negev. It should have created refugee camps for them there and provided them with all the support/aid while it went after Hamas. They'd be able to filter the people going in, make them surrender their weapons etc. No tunnels, no weapons caches, etc.

It's a very tough one to swallow for Israelis. I'm also not positive it would have worked. But I think it would be worth a try.

I think in the beginning of the war there was some thought of Egypt playing that role but it was pretty clear that wasn't going to happen.

The problem is throughout the war Israel had no appetite/desire to own the problem of Gazan civilians. Israel intentionally left that part to Hamas and the UN and at no time during this conflict has controlled any piece of land with Palestinian civilians.

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Post by FabHK »

unwise-exe wrote: post #324
tim333 wrote: post #233

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Pretty much my take. I thought Israel's actions were reasonable at first but out of hand now.

Israel's response was obvious as soon as the attack happened. "Oh, looks like they've got that excuse they've been wanting."

Why did Israel unilaterally withdrew its military forces from Gaza and dismantled its settlements in 2005? It gave them what they wanted, and look what it got in return. Murderous terrorism.

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Post by dang »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #170
dang wrote: post #48

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> The downvotes and flagged comments in this post are clearly not "organic" FWIW the downvotes and flags in threads like this, including this thread, do seem largely organic to me, and well within the range of what one expects from a divisive and emotional topic. People often use words like "clearly" in making such descriptions (I don't mean to pick on you personally! countless users do this, from all sides of all is…

> a divisive and emotional topic. I strongly suspect that this "divisive" nature of the topic is precisely the illusion being created. That's exactly what I am challenging here. In my non-online life I've known many vaccine skeptics, climate skeptics, crypto enthusiasts, extreme right/left-wingers, people with complex view of trans issues, divisions on BLM topics, gun fanatics, gun abolitionists etc, etc. But the opi…

Other users have already made some good replies, but I want to add that this is an example of what I wrote about in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23308098 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35932851 (one's feeling of good faith decreases as the distance between someone else's opinion and one's own increases). The community is much bigger than people assume it is, and therefore contains a much wider range of backgrounds and views than people assume it ought to.

I believe this is the main factor that tricks readers into assuming that (legit) comments and votes on a story must be manipulated. It's hard to fathom how anyone could in good faith hold views so different from one's own, views that seem not just obviously wrong but monstrous.

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Post by Spooky23 »

unwise-exe wrote: post #324
tim333 wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much my take. I thought Israel's actions were reasonable at first but out of hand now.

Israel's response was obvious as soon as the attack happened. "Oh, looks like they've got that excuse they've been wanting."

There’s a case that it was darker than that. The IDF is arguably the best army of its type in the world.

Yet the level of incompetence demonstrated when Hamas took the hostages was beyond incompetence. A retired general hopped in his car and rounded up a bunch of troops to extract his daughter. No officers were present in the area.

It seems weird that a military that had 3D mapping and monitoring of a region allowing it to detect and target concealed Hezbollah artillery in buildings somehow was caught flat footed. It’s weirder that there hasn’t been any commentary about this in an age where every decision made is analyzed to death.

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Post by actionfromafar »

SR2Z wrote: post #391
ivape wrote: post #338

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It’s really not. France and England are suddenly realizing the genocide, and Israel has decided that now is the time aid gets to come in. Trump just admitted there is starvation in Gaza. It’s pretty coordinated. It’s an easy ask, “we just need 14 months of silence plus or minus, then whatever”.

The "suddenly" is likely because Trump took office and started making noises about paving Gaza over to build resorts. It was much easier for these countries to look the other way when the US was notionally holding Netanyahu's leash.

Yeah, pretty long leash, but still.
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