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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by jahewson »

woooooo wrote: post #65
bamboozled wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I find interesting is that through all this suffering, Hamas hasn't surrendered and returned the hostages in return for it's own peoples peace. They should renounce everything they have done in my opinion and give themselves and the hostages back in return for and end to the conflict. People will argue with me and say Hamas is some type of resistance movement against oppressors so they should "fight on", expel o…

They've released like 80% of the hostages I believe? In exchange for ceasefires which were immediately broken by Israel.

That’s not true. It lasted 3 months, which was the entire duration of the agreed phase 1. Phase 2 did not begin because Hamas turned the hostage/body releases into a propaganda circus [1] and refused to accept modified terms for phase 2 that prevented this.

I don’t love either party’s behavior here, but there’s no need to mislead like this.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/20/world/middleeast/israel-h...

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by globalnode »

dkarl wrote: post #72
crystal_revenge wrote: post #17

As someone who went to US high school in the 90s, a good 1/3 of our curriculum seemed to be "never again" studies of the holocaust and other genocides throughout history. Which makes it completely incomprehensible to me that suddenly "don't talk about genocide" has become the basically law. What's worse is I actually feel openly saying "I don't support this genocide and I'm critical of the state committing it" is a r…

For progressive, educated people, Holocaust education was a double-edged sword. It made us keenly aware that the belief in the need for the existence of a Jewish state came from centuries of European Christian anti-Semitism culminating in the Holocaust. Therefore, when Israel justified its actions as defense against an existential threat, I think Europeans and American descendants of Europeans felt very nervous about…

Germany refuses to speak up against anything Israel is doing. Hows that for cowed? Poor country has had a number done on them almost 100 years and now theyre done. For that matter all the western countries are done.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by Scramblejams »

dang wrote: post #48
crystal_revenge wrote: post #17

As someone who went to US high school in the 90s, a good 1/3 of our curriculum seemed to be "never again" studies of the holocaust and other genocides throughout history. Which makes it completely incomprehensible to me that suddenly "don't talk about genocide" has become the basically law. What's worse is I actually feel openly saying "I don't support this genocide and I'm critical of the state committing it" is a r…

> The downvotes and flagged comments in this post are clearly not "organic" FWIW the downvotes and flags in threads like this, including this thread, do seem largely organic to me, and well within the range of what one expects from a divisive and emotional topic. People often use words like "clearly" in making such descriptions (I don't mean to pick on you personally! countless users do this, from all sides of all is…

allowing no discussion to happen seems wrong

Could it actually be right?

It's hard for me to feel like these political flagfests make the rest of the site any better, while the rest of the site is what I find value in. If I want to witness mobs possessing massive standard deviations in knowledge and experience with the subject matter flamewarring each other, there are already a whole lot of places on the Internet I can go for that. It's the tech-and-genuine-curiosity-not-yelling part of HN that's the value prop for me here, and FWIW, for a sample size of one, threads like this do little to improve on that.

Of course I can hide this story and move on. But it's hard for me to believe that all the stress hormones flowing in the people reading and participating don't have some kind of negative knock-on effects on other, more peaceful threads.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by ars »

School-Cotton wrote: post #165
danbruc wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the means, one has to but economic pressure on Israel, but the BDS movement holds some non-viable positions.

Like what? (Honest question).

The head of the BDS supports the expulsion and/or murder of all Jews in Israel.

Quote:

Omar Barghouti, the founder of the BDS movement, made that perspective clear: “Good riddance! The two-state solution for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is finally dead. But someone has to issue an official death certificate before the rotting corpse is given a proper burial and we can all move on and explore the more just, moral and therefore enduring alternative for peaceful coexistence between Jews and Arabs in Mandate Palestine: the one-state solution.”

Barghouti also opposed a bi-national Arab and Jewish state: “I am completely and categorically against binationalism … because it assumes that there are two nations with equal moral claims to the land and, therefore, we have to accommodate both national rights. I am completely opposed to that.”

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by wayeq »

colechristensen wrote: post #120
rizs12 wrote: post #74

Isn't the Prime Minister of Israel wanted by the Hague?

"international law" is, i don't know how to say this quite right, largely for show when both sides seem to be willing and eager to order, participate in, and cheer for atrocities from leadership to the common people... I don't want to take ideological sides or tally up crimes to decide who to root for in millennia old conflict mostly over a single city it's a terrible shame for the people who want to live together in…

> "international law" is, i don't know how to say this quite right, largely for show

Turns out most law in western democracies was largely for show

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by burnt-resistor »

jedimind wrote: post #94
dkarl wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For progressive, educated people, Holocaust education was a double-edged sword. It made us keenly aware that the belief in the need for the existence of a Jewish state came from centuries of European Christian anti-Semitism culminating in the Holocaust. Therefore, when Israel justified its actions as defense against an existential threat, I think Europeans and American descendants of Europeans felt very nervous about…

That's what we were thought in school as well, but the actual history quite a bit more complicated than that. Modern racial antisemitism and political Zionism were two modern political projects that grew from the same 19th century soil of nationalism and race theory. They did not agree with each other, but they converged, from opposite directions, on the same fundamental conclusion: that the Jewish people constituted…

I lost 3 great uncles in WW2, one lost his mind to PTSD and drink, and my grandfather came back a different human forever changed. That they fought and died fighting Nazis only for America to adopt and support ethnonationalist fascism is beyond my comprehension and tolerance.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by ars »

rightbyte wrote: post #167
ars wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel is not an occupying power in Gaza, but rather a warring power. And Article 23 of the 4th Geneva Convention says: ".... are no serious reasons for fearing: (a) that the consignments may be diverted from their destination," i.e. if the warring party believes the supplies will be diverted they have no obligation to supply them. And that's what is going on here.

Diverted to where? It is one city.

Gaza is not one city. Hu?? And diverted to Hamas who then sell it.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-finances-fighter...

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Post by YZF »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #73
YZF wrote: post #19

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byodxibvgl "Gaza Humanitarian Foundation chair Johnnie Moore accuses UN of 'playing politics' with Gazan lives, defends IDF and denies claims of mass casualties near aid sites, saying more people harmed in 24 hours of UN efforts than during weeks of GHF operations" He also discusses the specific individual here: "How do you respond to the claim from a former special forces operative w…

UNRWA managed to distribute food without killing Palestinians, as did many other agencies. I don't see why GHF has to commit these frequent massacres in their aid distribution.

This is simply not true. The first part isn't true, people have gotten killed during UN related aid operations. The second part isn't true either, GHF has not committed "frequent massacres" during aid distribution. The single event I've heard about involving GHF directly is where there was a stampede in one of their facilities:

https://abcnews.go.com/International/dozen-killed-stampede-g...

It's not clear what caused the stampede.

The IDF has used live fire for crowd control but there is zero evidence that it directly or intentionally attacked civilians. This is definitely a problematic practice but the exact causes and the number of casualties related to these events is unclear.

What has happened though is that Hamas attacks aid distribution centers, e.g.:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3kx9pwxwwo - "US aid workers wounded, says Gaza Humanitarian Foundation"

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-hamas-...

What's also true is that the UN and Hamas are doing their best to make sure the alternative efforts to distribute good to Gazans fail. Neither of these organizations actually care about Gazans. They care about their existence and power.

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