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Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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I am a die hard VIM user. VIM is a text editor, not an IDE. You can I many D tools into it's E, but it remains a text editor with disparate tools.

What is there in an IDE today, that is missing from (n)vim? With the advent of DAP and LSP servers, I can't find anything that I would use a "proper" IDE for.

The "integrated" part. I've written some here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42871586

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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I see a lot of confused comments blaming Microsoft, so to clarify: This analysis is about TRAE, a ByteDance IDE that was forked from VSCode: https://www.trae.ai/

Arguably it was Microsoft who started the whole trend of calling spyware "telemetry" to obfuscate what they were doing.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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> We need to bring back shaming and social isolation HN is not your army, and it isn’t a theater of ideological battle. Please don’t do that here.

I certainly think "hacker" implies quite a bit of ideology, and this site has substantial ideological leanings.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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What is there in an IDE today, that is missing from (n)vim? With the advent of DAP and LSP servers, I can't find anything that I would use a "proper" IDE for.

- debuggers - popup context windows for docs (kind of there, but having to respect the default character grid makes them much less capable and usually they don't allow further interaction) - contextual buttons on a line of code (sure, custom commands exist, but they're not discoverable) - "minimap"

Don't IDEs use DAP as well? That would mean neovim has 1:1 feature parity with IDEs when it comes to debugging. I understand the UI/UX might need some customization, but it's not like the defaults in whatever IDE fit everyone either.

Popup context windows for docs are super good in neovim, I would make a bet that they are actually better than what you find in IDEs, because they can use treesitter for automatic syntax highlighting of example code. Not sure what you mean with further interaction.

Contextual buttons are named code actions, and are available, and there are like 4 minimap plugins to choose from.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Spying and telemetry is not something specific to Bytedance. Example: Google ? Or Microsoft ? Why is it a problem only when it is Bytedance or Huawei ? For the exact same activity In fact the Chinese entities are even less likely to share your secrets to your governement than their best friends at Google

No one in the chain of comments you are replying to has mentioned anything about Google, and on HackerNews you will find the majority sentiment is against spying in all forms - especially by Google, Meta, etc. Even if we interact with your rhetoric[1] at face value, there is a big difference between data going to your own elected government versus that of a foreign adversary. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatabo…

So you are implying at the end that it is better that your secrets (“telemetry”) go to your local agencies and to possible relatives or family who work on Gmail, Uber, etc ?

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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> We need to bring back shaming and social isolation HN is not your army, and it isn’t a theater of ideological battle. Please don’t do that here.

I certainly think "hacker" implies quite a bit of ideology, and this site has substantial ideological leanings.

I think I was speaking aspirationally, in that the spirit of the guidelines precludes us from relating to the site and each other in such a way. We are ends, not means to an end, if that end involves subverting curious discussion. To my reading, shaming isn’t compatible with arguing in good faith as dang has helped me to understand through breaking the guidelines in strange new ways myself.

I’d be happy to email mods if you think they can tell you better. I’m no authority or guide, as my own comment history shows. I’m not better than you, or who I am replying to. I say this because I care to have a discussion that (only?) HN can enable. We can backbite anywhere (else) online, but the folks who created HN made it for something else, and arguably something greater.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Every single piece of telemetry sent over the internet includes PII - the IP address of the sender - by virtue of how our internet protocols are designed.

At least spiritually not if the traffic is routed over a Tor circuit. :-)

Unless you control most of the Tor nodes :-)

So many US universities running such nodes, without ever getting legal troubles. Such lucky boys

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

#168

I see a lot of confused comments blaming Microsoft, so to clarify: This analysis is about TRAE, a ByteDance IDE that was forked from VSCode: https://www.trae.ai/

Arguably it was Microsoft who started the whole trend of calling spyware "telemetry" to obfuscate what they were doing.

Obfuscate? Telemetry arguably helps with deobfuscation.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Telemetry isn't the same thing as spying on the user. People use it because it's not actually spying on them.

Anonymized or not, opt-out telemetry is plain spying. Go was about to find out, and they backed out the last millisecond and converted to opt-in, for example.

Unfortunately opt-in telemetry is like no telemetry at all. Defaults matter.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

#170

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Arguably it was Microsoft who started the whole trend of calling spyware "telemetry" to obfuscate what they were doing.

Obfuscate? Telemetry arguably helps with deobfuscation.

> Telemetry arguably helps with deobfuscation.

Can you please expand on that? I have trouble understanding how telemetry helps me, as a user of the product, understand how the product works.

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