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Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by godelski »

dotancohen wrote: post #94
dmitrygr wrote: post #52

I remind you, again, that vi, gcc, as, ld, and make have no telemetry, launch few (if any) processes, do not need GB of RAM, and work well.

I am a die hard VIM user. VIM is a text editor, not an IDE. You can I many D tools into it's E, but it remains a text editor with disparate tools.

  > VIM is a text editor, not an IDE
I'm with you, but I don't see the problem with their argument. They should have mentioned GDB, Valgrind, and maybe things like pdb and ruff, but I think their point was clear enough without it. Hell, in vim I use ruff for linting and you can jump into a debugger. When you have it configured that way people do refer to it as an IDE. It isn't technically correct but it gets the point across to the people who wouldn't know that

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by bogwog »

Latty wrote: post #19
benreesman wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't pay any attention to people giving you shit for using translation software. A lot of us sometimes forget that the whole world knows a little English and most of us native speakers have a ridiculous luxury in getting away with being two lazy to learn a few other languages.

Part of the problems with using LLMs for translation is precisely that they alter the tone and structure of what you give it, writing using the LLM cliches and style, and it's unsurprising people see that and just assume completely generated slop. It's unfortunate, and I would probably try and use LLMs if English wasn't my first language, but I don't think it's as simple as "using translation software", I've not seen…

LLM writing style does to the brain what Microsoft Sam does to the ears.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by jen20 »

rs186 wrote: post #114
isatty wrote: post #99

Why do people use obvious spyware when free software exists?

Eh, I don't know how you could tell it is "obvious" "spyware", unless you are referring to the fact that it comes from Bytedance.

Have Bytedance produced literally anything to that assumption unreasonable?

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by HPsquared »

imglorp wrote: post #64
drewbitt wrote: post #28

They don't want telemetry ever disabled, even for a minority of people who do toggle it off. Why?

Disabling telemetry might be interpreted as a self-indicated signal of "I have something to hide", so they jack up the snooping.

I suspect many (or all) VPNs probably do secret logging. People will do their most interesting secret activities on those.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by sejje »

imglorp wrote: post #64
drewbitt wrote: post #28

They don't want telemetry ever disabled, even for a minority of people who do toggle it off. Why?

Disabling telemetry might be interpreted as a self-indicated signal of "I have something to hide", so they jack up the snooping.

Or "I'm a power user" of sorts. Probably a very small minority of users fiddle that setting.

Dang said a similarly small minority of users here do all the commenting.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by gpm »

nomel wrote: post #129
malfist wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is literally spying on the user. Unless you're somehow saying telemetry doesn't report anything about what a user is doing to it's home server.

In my mind, the difference is that spying does or can contain PII, or PII can be inferred from it, where telemetry is incapable of being linked to an individual, to a reasonable extent.

Every single piece of telemetry sent over the internet includes PII - the IP address of the sender - by virtue of how our internet protocols are designed.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by phillipcarter »

jen20 wrote: post #133
rs186 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, I don't know how you could tell it is "obvious" "spyware", unless you are referring to the fact that it comes from Bytedance.

Have Bytedance produced literally anything to that assumption unreasonable?

Amongst other things they do have a division that produces OKR tracking software. Just the weird story of another multinational I suppose.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by lynndotpy »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #117
lynndotpy wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI-generated content is rarely published with the intention of being informative. * Something being apparently AI-generated is a strong heuristic that something isn't worth reading. We've been reading highly-informative articles with "bad English" for decades. It's okay and good to write in English without perfect mastery of the language. I'd rather read the source, rather than the output of a txt2txt model. * edit -…

True, but there are many more people that speak no English, or so badly that an article would be hard to understand. I face this problem now with the classes I teach. It's an electronics lab for physics majors. They have to write reports about the experiments they are doing. For a large fraction, this task is extraordinary hard not because of the physics, but because of writing in English. So for those, LLMs can be a…

I don't have any ideas to help you there. I was a TA in a university, but that was before ChatGPT, and it was an expectation to provide answers in English. For non-native English speakers, one of the big reasons to attend an English-speaking university was to get the experience in speaking and reading English.

But I also think it's a different thing entirely. It's different being the sole reader of text produced by your students (with responsibility to read the text) compared to being someone using the internet choosing what to read.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by bayindirh »

charcircuit wrote: post #113
isatty wrote: post #99

Why do people use obvious spyware when free software exists?

Telemetry isn't the same thing as spying on the user. People use it because it's not actually spying on them.

Anonymized or not, opt-out telemetry is plain spying. Go was about to find out, and they backed out the last millisecond and converted to opt-in, for example.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by bayindirh »

nomel wrote: post #129
malfist wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is literally spying on the user. Unless you're somehow saying telemetry doesn't report anything about what a user is doing to it's home server.

In my mind, the difference is that spying does or can contain PII, or PII can be inferred from it, where telemetry is incapable of being linked to an individual, to a reasonable extent.

In my mind, any feature collecting information about me, truly anonymized or not is spying if it's opt out.
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